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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 09:07:55 AM »
Wow. That looks like it was taken from a book. Well, you can't really say the soviet air force THAT sucked. The cold war wasn't that bad for them.

Ok. I'm working on an RSAF one. Sergei, any info on Russia's Air Force?
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 12:14:43 PM »
alyster, this person on surname Rezun - first of all the traitor. That касется its "truths" it usually did so: took the underestimated characteristics of German planes and tanks and the overestimated characteristics of the Soviet planes and tanks. As to the military historian - a penny to it the price.

As a whole, I with you agree. German pilots had a high level fighting and flying preparations. Soviet - much lower. Though, there were some hundreds pilots which had experience of fights in Spain behind shoulders, and also on the Halkhin-Gole and which conceded nothing, and even surpassed Germans.

In general, I suggest to close this theme (I have in view of the Second World war) as it does not concern to this theme.

Raptor, Russian VVS very big, and I can't have patience to write about they. On scramble.nl site they have.
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2007, 03:19:00 PM »
From Suvorov (Rezun) I think I only borrowed the 150 000 pilots. He wrote quite alot about soviet pilot schooling and its goals. 150 000 pilots was the number he brought out. And it was sourced like any normal history writting with archival records and news paper links(old news paper stories). Although his overall point of view is still to be debated about among scholars, I don't think he missed with the number that much.

But I do agree, we have gotten off topic. But i no not agree that Rezun's thesis would be less important because he defected,
« Last Edit: October 23, 2007, 11:56:23 PM by alyster »
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2007, 03:33:31 PM »
Im sorry that i get off topic abit, but i feeli have to make this input. If russian air force was as bad as some of you say, then how come the Swedish pilots had such respect for their pilots and aircraft during the cold war? Russians was a force to reccon with, if you did not respect them or think of them as bad, the parts that where left of you would end up in a closed coffin. Rest would be at the bottom of the Baltic sea.
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2007, 04:58:40 PM »
I think I did say that "soviet air force should still be ashamed how poorly they did against nazis in WW2
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2007, 08:49:14 PM »
I think I did say that "soviet air force should still be ashamed how poorly they did against nazis in WW2

See, i did not get that. Im sorry for my stupidety....  :-[ :-[ :-[
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2007, 08:51:18 PM »
Nothing to be sorry about.

I think Raptor kinda missed it also. I think Soviet Air Force did rather well in Cold war, specially the late Cold war era.
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 03:50:15 AM »
oh, now I got it ;D then I can give it a try :P

let's see if this weekend I can spend some time making a nice thing to post :)
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2007, 08:09:03 AM »
Russian Air Forced Sucked in WW2?

Um, wasnt Russia on the winning side?

Luftwaffe was completely destroyed, while the Russian Air Force got bigger?

Oh i totally see how they sucked ^0)

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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2007, 08:16:44 AM »
They made a few hundred to one loss in the german's favour.

I saw the point, alyster, thought you were ignoring the cold war fact. sorry. ;D

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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2007, 09:16:48 AM »
Russian Air Forced Sucked in WW2?

Um, wasnt Russia on the winning side?

Luftwaffe was completely destroyed, while the Russian Air Force got bigger?

Oh i totally see how they sucked ^0)

Perhaps because Luftwaffe was being destoried from the west by anglo-american hordes?

Didn't you read my previous posts at all? Luftwaffe killed soviets like flies, although Luftwaffe was out numbered at best days by 4-5 times, at worst days alot and alot more.
Luftwaffe's standart fact was that once a fighter pilot had been transfered to eastern front, he shouldn't be transfered to west anymore, because he'll get lazy due to the untrained soviet pilots and would be easily killed by RAF or USAAF.

That their numbers grew is way over simplification and is due to their vast industry not their success. Like I said, Stalin had reserves, 150 000 pilots ready by 1941.

It's not [edit :) ]about Luftwaffe alone. Finnish Air Force did very succesfully against red air force aswell.

Raptor, my point is that Cold war factor alone wouldn't make that the best air force if we include history, like it was said above. Think if you can send 5 planes against one and you're being constantly blown out of the skies, does it really make you any good?
« Last Edit: October 25, 2007, 03:29:07 PM by alyster »
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Re: Which Air-Force is Best II
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2007, 03:15:57 PM »
After checking out some history about Russias air force during WW2. I must agree with Alyster, russians where still flying Bi-winged fighters until the Brittish and US help them out with selling them more modern fighters of the era. Which they started to massproduced under licence.
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