At first i must say that my comment was not ironic, it was rather humorous. I just wanted to go to the one extreme, that is the B2, the lowest RCS/IR aircraft (i have no proof for this but i strongly believe it). What if you load it with 20-30 Meteor or an Americanized Meteor? What airborne fighter type radar can see it? at what a distance? The B-2 will remain unseen and able to fire a salvo of those missiles against a whole sqdrn. Untill someone gets near it. O.K. That is the one extreme. But the belief that u built the maneuverability into the missile and the aircraft is a plain carrier, able to bring the missiles to the right height and initial speed, is completely mistaken. It is right the kind of performance it was envisaged in the Vietnam era and prooved wrong. It was also envisaged in the case of the AIM-54 Phoenix, every pilot an ace it was the moto then. While technology advances, there is always factors where u can't compute accurately. For example, what if an IFF transponder doesn't work? Does anyone remembers the case in the Gulf War where the Americans shot a friendly aircraft? Who guarantees that in an airspace of multiple radar targets, what you see is an enemy and not one of your team with broken IFF, or an enemy who has copied your IFF? So, visual identification is important. And then the advantage of the Meteor goes out of the window. Not that the Meteor is not needed. On the contrary. Well, as i said first, the future of dogfight is maneuvrability the future of air combat is a well balanced mixed of all the above. Just my thoughts...