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Military Aviation => Air Power => Topic started by: Genomscreams on January 18, 2006, 11:25:17 PM

Title: pilot skill
Post by: Genomscreams on January 18, 2006, 11:25:17 PM
how much do u think pilot skill effects dogfights? i personally think that if a pilot is good enough he will be able to ovrcome the limitations of his machine and succed in a dog fight against a superior aircraft. say an f-5 engaged an su- 37. i think that if the f-5 pilot is good enough, he could win. anyone else agree?
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: Viggen on January 19, 2006, 07:39:44 AM
If it comes down to close dogfighting with cannons, then i think you are right.  :)
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: Air Marshal on February 22, 2006, 11:48:06 PM
After Machine Limitations, In very short Time time interval the Pilot having many objectives for enganging the enemy.  ;)
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: manuelrodriguez on May 30, 2007, 07:17:54 AM
how much do u think pilot skill effects dogfights? i personally think that if a pilot is good enough he will be able to ovrcome the limitations of his machine and succed in a dog fight against a superior aircraft. say an f-5 engaged an su- 37. i think that if the f-5 pilot is good enough, he could win. anyone else agree?

Almost 95%, I guess that the maximum effect. what do you think?
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: Gripen on May 30, 2007, 07:47:20 AM
The effectiveness of an air force in combat is only limited to the skill of your pilots. There's no use in spending $180million on a plane if you only spend like $100 dollars training your pilot. Its pointless. Hell, if they were good enough, you could have a air force of Sopwith Camels taking on and beating an Air Force with Flankers, Eagles and Tornado's. Unlikely yes, but if they modern jet pilots are unskilled,then the more skilled pilots in older planes would have a better chance, if not the best chance.
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: tigershark on June 06, 2007, 09:21:58 PM
I would also rate the chances of a higher skilled well trained pilot in a older jet fighter then a less skilled pilot in a modern jet fighter.  A good example would be like a Brazilian well seasoned F-5 pilot vs. a new Venezuelan Su-30 MK2 Flanker pilot, I would put my money on the Derby’s or Python’s hitting first.   But once the basic training is over and the new pilot has some tactics down and some skills the edge would swing back to the superior equipment.   The difference is too great between a Flanker and an F-5.   The Flanker has many advantages over an F-5 even an upgraded F-5.  A skilled F-5 pilot would give a mid skilled Flanker pilot a few surprises in close as many F-14 and F-15 pilots can account to.
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: Raptor on October 20, 2007, 12:44:47 PM
Sometimes, it just isn't worth discussing unlikely situations. How many times has the F-15 gone into close combat? How else do you think they have that fantastic record?

But if i must, then i'd rate it at 60%. If your plane can't turn for nuts, it's no point going up against a pilot who may not be very skilled, but can fly, and has about the best close-up fighter in the world.
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: MightyHunter on April 24, 2008, 08:38:35 AM
Have you ever played Lock On Modern Air Combat , Dogfighting in that pretty realistic sim is nails , just imagine what real life is like  :-\

just give me long range missiles and a fast exit  ;D
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: iluveagles on April 25, 2008, 05:28:16 AM
Completely, skill is why the USAF trains their pilots so well and so much. To make sure they are better than the other guy. Look at the Israeli's against the Syrians(or was it the Egyptians, idk too many Israeli wars), a Mig-21 can outmaneuver a Mirage III family aircraft, however the Israeli's were much better pilots.
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: Raptor on April 30, 2008, 11:13:39 AM
You're basing on a video game?
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: iluveagles on April 30, 2008, 02:20:17 PM
I sure as hell wasn't, I was just replying to the first guy...............[just to clarify]................
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: Raptor on April 30, 2008, 06:43:46 PM
sorry, eagles. i meant hunter.  :-X

The true capabilities of the aircraft are most likely not even close to what a video game portrays...
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: MightyHunter on May 01, 2008, 08:04:54 PM
Yeah i know , im just saying that as an aircraft engineer and not a pilot I have no idea what moves an aircraft has got , but I am saying that Ive played one of these new realistic video games and tried dogfighting on that , It was impossible for me , but im saying that in real life it must be very difficult.

The answer to your question though , if a good pilot in a poorer aircraft was up against a good aircraft but a poor pilot then yes if he knew his capabilities.

The Korean war I believe is a good example, the Mig was to some better than the Sabre but with correct training and knowing the aircrafts moves then they overcame a poor combat ratio to have a good success in that war (USA I mean)

I agree with your comments though  :)
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: iluveagles on May 02, 2008, 02:43:34 AM
Oh no prob, I was pretty certain you were not refering to me, but I just figured I would clarify.......

As a matter o' fact it makes me laugh, because Ace Combat is a fun game, but realism is pretty non-existant...........minus take off speed.....................
Title: Re: pilot skill
Post by: Eldorado82 on April 19, 2009, 11:07:18 AM
Istrongly believe that the "human material" that is inside the cockpit has big influence on the results of the dogfights.
back in 116th squadron we had lot of exsercises with US Texas air guard ( dont remember what squadrons we hosted at the Nevatim AFB) and i saw by myself how a A-4 "shoots down" F16 during a training dogfight. was amazing to listen to the pilots of both birds when they emerged their cockpits and condinued in "pilot talk" with lots of hand-swiveling and manuvering:) always love to listed to pilot talks like thath.
US pilots' impressions were that we are very strong and highly skilled air force even in some points we are stronger than the US pilots