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Viggen:
Here we go, promote your favourite rifle or just discuss the diffrences between the combat rifles used. :)
Viggen:
"Alyster: Yeah I understand that, but mid range sniper is not exactly what I had in mind for infrantry's standard issue rifel. When we're well dug in it's quite useful, but if we have to move? And we do move all the time. Such weapon can not be fired well when one knee is down, it can not be fired at all when standing. Upgraded Ak-4 is another thing that would cut our mobility.
However when talking about upgrades I'd rather use a Galil again with nightvision. These 2 weapons are from different generations for me.
Also that reminds me, upgraded Ak-4 is almost as heavy as Carl Gustav M3! "
I have never used a Galil, so i take your word for it. If you belive its a better rifle then the AK4 then it probably is, since you have used both of them and could compare. :)
My point was just that even if its an old and heavy rifle, it still have some great use on the modern battlefield if you modifie it the right way.
alyster:
I understand you. Also our upgrades includes legs for the weapon, so indeed it becomes mid range sniper. However it can be used that way in very limited battles, in defence mainly, when we're well dug in.
This picture is taken of a Swedish Ak-4, but ours look alike.
Our troops who are deployed to Afganistan or were deployed to Iraq used only Galil for assult rifel. So most of the army rather prefers a Galil. It's only problem is that it's not Russian made. Israelis make its' parts so so accurate(unlike how Russians make Kalashnikovs), so if the weapon has heated up with about 10 mags, you hear how parts start to jam, b/c of thermal expansion. Other infantry weapons deployed in Afganistan are Carl Gustav M2 and MG-3. Mg-3 would have had an alternative of KSP-58, Gustav really doesn't have an alternative, only chinese made RPG (named M-69) or AT-4, but Gustav is still better, just M2 is very heavy. I think we ought to buy M3 for elite units.
Sometimes I have the feeling like I would serve in the Swedish army. So much of the equipment is Swedish origin. But then again everything seems to work just fine, if only we could buy Ak-5 instead of Ak-4. Although there is some hope to get new assult rifels in upcoming years. BTW did you use the Ak-5. How was it?
Gripen:
I'm a fan of the H&K G36, all the models including the MG-36... I dont know what it is, it just looks futuristic y'know...
Viggen:
--- Quote from: alyster on April 25, 2009, 05:32:03 PM ---I understand you. Also our upgrades includes legs for the weapon, so indeed it becomes mid range sniper. However it can be used that way in very limited battles, in defence mainly, when we're well dug in.
This picture is taken of a Swedish Ak-4, but ours look alike.
Our troops who are deployed to Afganistan or were deployed to Iraq used only Galil for assult rifel. So most of the army rather prefers a Galil. It's only problem is that it's not Russian made. Israelis make its' parts so so accurate(unlike how Russians make Kalashnikovs), so if the weapon has heated up with about 10 mags, you hear how parts start to jam, b/c of thermal expansion. Other infantry weapons deployed in Afganistan are Carl Gustav M2 and MG-3. Mg-3 would have had an alternative of KSP-58, Gustav really doesn't have an alternative, only chinese made RPG (named M-69) or AT-4, but Gustav is still better, just M2 is very heavy. I think we ought to buy M3 for elite units.
Sometimes I have the feeling like I would serve in the Swedish army. So much of the equipment is Swedish origin. But then again everything seems to work just fine, if only we could buy Ak-5 instead of Ak-4. Although there is some hope to get new assult rifels in upcoming years. BTW did you use the Ak-5. How was it?
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Straight off, the AK5 is a better weapon then the AK4. You can actually aim and hit your targets when fireing at full auto, also it does not overheat as fast. In Sweden we had in my time, three versions: AK5 (standard with iron sights), AK5B (scoped) and the AK5C (The M203 grenade launcher attached).
The recoil is next to nothing compared to the Ak4. With the standard iron sights i had no trouble fireing accuratly at distances up to 300 meters. (One strange thing thoug, is that the sights are set for 250m and 400m. Had to choose either one. So we centerd our sights at 100m and 300m.) Beyond that you really needed the scoped version. One bad thing i heard about the AK5, (though it never happend to me) is that that many had problems with the magazines. They just broke in the bottom.
It was a bit clumpsy when we had CQB, clearing room by room inside the mountain. The barrel is long and it got a bit complicated getting around corners trying to put the sights on target in a fast motion. :)
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