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Re: Iranian Navy to hold maneuver in Strait of Hormuz
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2008, 07:23:51 PM »
I didn't know you served thank you.    Myself I never join sometime I feel I missed by calling other guys tell me I'm nuts and I should be lucky for not having to or deciding to do to it.  I found this quick I don't post this source much because I don't trust it really but I have to get back to work.   Read through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis , from you could gets names and other information to look up this.  I'll check in later

 

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Re: Iranian Navy to hold maneuver in Strait of Hormuz
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2008, 01:33:41 AM »
Question: How could IA-655 be mistaken as a F-14, especially when it was a Airbus A-300?

I know the Vincennes crew was inexperienced, but how hard is it to tell the difference between a fighter and a airliner?


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Re: Iranian Navy to hold maneuver in Strait of Hormuz
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2008, 01:45:41 AM »
I already regret asking but how do know the Vincents crew was inexperienced?   US Navy crews are trained well every station has tests which must be pasted just sometimes mistakes are made.   I suggest  in a very neutral tone to look it up there tons of reports written on this subject.   Please post links on what you find I would like to read it and learn the facts better myself.   I don't know enough of the facts off the top of my head to break it down why the system failed.    Thanks

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Re: Iranian Navy to hold maneuver in Strait of Hormuz
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2008, 12:44:10 PM »
It says in the article that the inexperienced crew was blamed, read it.


It was, however, a known fact that many of the senior officers on board the Vincennes knew very little about computerized warfare. The tactical officer for surface warfare, Lt Cmdr Guillory, knew so little that he routinely used his computer screens as a surface for sticky notes instead. Petty Officer Anderson, who missed Flight 655 on the schedule because it was so dark, also later claimed that he was confused by the gulf's four different time zones, something proper training could have easily helped with. Lt Clay Zocher was the boss of Air Alley, which was responsible for air warfare, but he had only stood watch at that post twice before and had never fully learned and mastered the console routines. In fact, when he was finally given the green light to fire upon the incoming aircraft, he pressed the wrong keys 23 times, until a veteran petty officer leaned over and hit the right ones. Nerves were shattered, and the training seemed nonexistent.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#Potential_factors)

Read the rest of the article, that'll answer your question


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Re: Iranian Navy to hold maneuver in Strait of Hormuz
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2008, 09:23:36 PM »
I learn something everyday.   Makes you think why didn't the veteran petty officer help sooner.   Before I or we both think this is really what happen it needs to be confirm from other sources.   Anybody can write this or change the facts doesn't seem odd that a weapons officer or Bridge office can't read a radar?    Like I told WRCKid I don't trust this site 99% of the time.  I'll put it on my list of things to research but I have four other including some WW-II stuff I'm writing on this other forum.   It's been a long time since I went down the WW-II path.   If I don't follow up on this please remind me, thanks
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Re: Iranian Navy to hold maneuver in Strait of Hormuz
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2008, 12:29:47 AM »
I'm trying to get more info on the breakdown on the bridge but can't seem to find any.  I found some useful links explaining a little better what went in the region and tanker wars but nothing directly saying what happen or what failed.

http://www.navybuddies.com/cg/cg49.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/earnest_will.htm

This was a good read
http://www.nightstalkers.com/history/4.html

Good reading
http://www.navybook.com/nohigherhonor/pic-earnestwill.shtml

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KNN/is_2001_Autumn-Winter/ai_87779050/pg_1

 



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