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Military Aviation => Defence in General => Topic started by: Webmaster on May 16, 2005, 03:52:58 PM

Title: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Webmaster on May 16, 2005, 03:52:58 PM
MOSCOW. May 15 (Interfax) - The Russian Navy is launching a project to develop a new aircraft carrier, the navy's commander Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov told Interfax.

"We are beginning work to develop a new aircraft carrier in 2005. Construction is to begin after 2010," Kuroyedov said.

"We are launching this development project and will involve leading experts to find out which materials and weapons we'll need and how many aircraft carriers should be built," he said.

Kuroyedov earlier told journalists that the navy is planning to put the new carrier into service in the Northern Fleet by 2016-17. Another carrier will be built for the Pacific Fleet, he said. "Deck aviation has a good future. A new multi-purpose aircraft will be created in a few years," Kuroyedov said.

The Russian Navy currently has only one aircraft-carrying cruiser, the Admiral Kuznetsov.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Webmaster on May 17, 2005, 12:33:06 AM
Kuznetzov has just been overhauled, so it will take long before it is sold. The new carrier is planned for 2017, with delays 2020, and then they want a second one too. So Kuznetzov has some years to go.

India is planning to develop its own carriers.

I think, after it has been retired, it will be sold to China again and end up as a theme park. Although the last one went bankrupt. Hopefully, it will become a museum...in Russia, with Russian aircraft on display. But you'll never know when the Russian offer equipment, cheap and to countries who want to build up their military. Maybe then even the USA will buy it, just to get it off the market!

Aircraft ow yeah, Su-33s with all the new fancy stuff or jointly produced MiG-29Ks. They can get you anything, as long as you pay in any solid currency.  ;D
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Webmaster on May 18, 2005, 11:39:05 AM
No need to put a disclaimer for the link. If you post the photos, then yes. Or at least some reference to its source or photographer would be nice.

But eh, I know those photos, those are from a Russian website (http://www.airforce.ru). And looks like the guy there just linked them, which means that it steals bandwidth from the Russian website. Not the nicest things to do.

Check out for the original source and more photos (click on the thumnails and you will be taken to a gallery):
http://www.airforce.ru/photogallery/dundin/kuznetsov2004/index.htm
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: elias_b on May 20, 2005, 02:29:38 PM
I hope the next Russian aircraft carrier will be nuclear powered, as the current Kuznetsov is still powered by a  diesel engine.
They had planned a nuclear powered in the 80s called "Ulyanovsk", but it was later cancelled.

By the way: I think that the Mig-29K would have been better suited for the Kuznetsov than the Su-33. The Su-33 is too large for a carrier like the Kuznetsov and the Mig-29K is a multirole fighter. The Su-33 is only a air superiority fighter. The big Plus for the Su-33 is its far longer range.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Webmaster on May 21, 2005, 06:18:13 PM
Sure it would be better. It's like the F-14 (Su-33) and F/A-18 (MiG-29K)... nobody likes to see the Hornet take the Tomcat's place. Even now with the upped Super Hornet. No.1 problem with the Hornet...its range. Su-33 just have to get the upgraded fire control system, and they can do multi-role as well, and maybe even better, carrying a bigger load at longer range.

It's size turned out to be not that big a problem, since they only got a handful of them.  :P But indeed they had always planned a bigger nuclear powered aircraft carrier, and that's probably why the Su-33 was preferred in the end. There was a time when a mixture of MiG-29K and Su-33 was considered the best option, and that's probably the reason why the Su-33 was developed without a decent A-S capability.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: elias_b on May 21, 2005, 09:23:58 PM
An updated Su-33 would certainly be better than the Mig-29K. Same weapons and avionics with better range. So we have to hope that Russia can raise the fundings for updating their Su-33. Perhaps they could even buy some Su-33UB (Su-27KUB) as trainers, because the Su-25-trainer isn't  suited for carrier operations.
I doubt the Russians can begin building the carrier in 2010. There are so many other Navy projects to be done (Tu-142 and Il-38 modifications, keeping their  submarines and surface vessels operational, construct new nuclear submarines, modification of the Su-33?), that there isn't much left for the carrier. 2015 is more probable.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: chacko on August 26, 2005, 05:00:22 AM
Russia looks like will have carriers of displacement with 50-55 thousand dwt. Its impressed with Sevmash shipyards expertise while working on Adm Gorshkov, now called INS Vikramaditya. The Baltic plant is considered too. There is a design too called "KHKH.I of century"? I am not good at reading Russian. If there is a russian poster here, he/she can contact me. I need help on translations.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Battlemike on September 17, 2005, 12:28:44 PM
So which Third World country gets the Kuznetzov when the Russians have to get rid of it to make room for two new ones? Better put, how many countries can actually afford to maintain a ship like that? I doubt the Indians will need another carrier by that time.

 Well the Chinese will try and buy it(i.e. beg,cojole and threaten not to buy military product from Russia for it!) but I expect the Indians will get it.Its an unstable mix in that region.As the US Navy and western forces really don't have a threat in russian Acft carriers anymore,I'd fear a Sino-Indian coflict or a Sino-Russian squabble , and the russians would need a new acft carrier.China just wants one to BULLY  Taiwan into  rejoining the Family (watch and see if the U.S. won't then pop a few modern subs Taiwans way to threaten China's desire for a blue water fleet) .I believe China is "dumb" enough to  try and intimidate U.S. Pac fleets acft carriers as well as some UK task forces sailing around- The Brits may buy an older US Carrier and JSF fighters and turn the tide around! China and India are "pretender" world powers -they don't need the force projection of Acft carrier,since their interests are "regional"9 what would a Chinese task force be doing in the Gulf?What straegic needs does India have in the Mediteranian or the Pacific? But Indi and China will try for an older russian carrier-and i hope the Russkies sell a stripped hulk to them..........
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: alyster on October 05, 2005, 08:53:29 PM
China is not a "pretender " power. Far from that. With 1/6 of the world paying taxes to them they can afford to buy anything they want.  Also they have huge economical potensial and when Kuznetsov is on the selling list, then China might already be worlds leading country, if they play it smart. 
It's just a mather of time when their navy gets serious threat to west, specialy to the carriers. And I can tell you how long it will take - just as long as they make their sub's torpedo tubes big enough for Shkval.
What comes to bulling Taiwan...what should we call the Iraqs invasion then? And Chinese would love to have power in the Gulf to get the oil, just like the west.

So my opinion is that:
Do Chinese want it? - Oh yes.
Do they need it? - Not now, but soon there'll be a need if they'll want to take over U.S. place.
Will they get it? - Why not, just over pay the Indians, coz Chinese military budget is 4 times bigger.

Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Webmaster on October 06, 2005, 12:58:11 PM
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Will they get it? - Why not

Maybe US pressure...luckily Putin is not easily intimidated.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: alyster on October 06, 2005, 01:47:05 PM
Putin said he won't run for 3rd time as President, so who knows who's the next lunatic running that thing in my backyard :(

And I wouldn't say anything lucky about it since most of us here are from the "western world"
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Webmaster on October 07, 2005, 12:49:16 AM
lucky for the sake of naval aviation...
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Valiant1 on September 18, 2006, 03:37:11 AM
Wow, there's a surprise - Russia building a carrier!  What's really dangerous about this idea is China buying them or the building permits to the Russian design.  The world has no idea what China is up to.  They're laying low right now and getting involved in world economics and blah, blah, blah! But the fact is, they are using the money they are making off of Western companies in their country, to buy military weapons.  They say they only want to defend their land, but if you look at China's history, they've been governed by so many different forms of government, that they're taking no chances...they'll want to be the ones to impose their will on other countries, for example, Taiwan, which they believe is part of mainland China. 
The United States government should take precautions - any Russia builds and wants to sell, let us buy it THEN BURN IT! This way, the Chinese don't get their hand on it.  Let's all remember - China is ONE THIRD of the world's population - we're talking 2 BILLION of them - do you think it's impossible for Communist China to call over 100 MILLION MEN to fight a war?  What do we, as the rest of the world, have to offer to combat that enormous number of soldiers? 
Equipment for equipment, the US can still woop China in a fight - we have far better ships, still better planes and definitely better tanks.  We need to maintain our high tech weapons as well as our existing weapons - we need to deny China more access to Western technology and more arms, if we all want the rest of the world to be independent. PERIOD.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Gripen on October 14, 2006, 05:52:37 AM
why does russian need a new ACC?

america, britain, france i get because they have protectorates in other parts of the world, so a carrier is needed, but why russia?

arent all their friends in Europe- which is reachable by their land forces?
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: alyster on October 14, 2006, 12:30:41 PM
You don't only need to reach your friends, but also your enemies. Russia still considers itself to be a world power.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Gripen on October 14, 2006, 12:32:27 PM
yea, but dont they have like a million submarines?
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Viggen on October 14, 2006, 01:04:31 PM
Russias subs are mostly rustbuckets today. It aint like  the glorydays of the 80´s anymore.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Gripen on October 15, 2006, 04:03:36 AM
wouldnt it be cheaper to repair 10 submarines then design, build and equip a whole new ACC?
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: alyster on October 15, 2006, 11:22:17 AM
Russian generals and admirals still live in a world of dreams, they know nothing of politics nor economy.
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Gripen on October 17, 2006, 10:08:16 AM
yea

but considering they have the power and ability to wreck the economy, and i guess the economy of others!!
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Gripen on October 20, 2006, 03:28:22 PM
or they could build a bomber with a range of like...12,000miles

thatd be hugh though right??
Title: Re: Russian Navy - Russia developing new aircraft carrier
Post by: Raptor on December 04, 2006, 11:46:24 AM
Then they might have a lot of USA complaining, and Britain. And whatever, wherever and practically every single country annexed around the globe. It's like having a new re-entry missile.