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Military Aviation => Defence in General => Topic started by: shawn a on July 27, 2010, 04:48:07 AM

Title: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: shawn a on July 27, 2010, 04:48:07 AM
Well, What aircraft will Kim use in his "nuclear response" to the joint excercises planned to happen in his bathtub? (Is that guy nuts, or what?)
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: RecceJet on July 27, 2010, 11:20:24 AM
Well, What aircraft will Kim use in his "nuclear response" to the joint excercises planned to happen in his bathtub? (Is that guy nuts, or what?)

That depends on whether he's still alive. Last I heard, some North Korea expert in Japan thinks that North Korea's unveiling of a bronze statue of the dictator means he may well have died.

Question is what aircraft are still operational? I'd like to see a swarm on An-2 Colts take to the skies, WW2 style.
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: shawn a on July 27, 2010, 08:49:20 PM
AN-2s vs Predators. There's a mental image for you!
I hear they have a few Mig-29s, along with -21s, and SU-25s. I think they may have a few older MIGs an SUs, also.
 I think the real danger is Seoul's vulnerability to the north's artillery.
There would be a ton of work for Warthogs and Vipers very close to Seoul, and the south would get to try out their Slam Eagles. I know nothing of the north's SAM system, but I'm sure they have lots.
And those midget subs would need to be dealt with.
Does anyone really think it will hit the fan? Or is this all just the usual rhetoric carried a bit further?
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: Webmaster on July 29, 2010, 05:04:59 AM
The usual, I think... at the most another missile test, but no aircraft.
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Post by: F-111 C/C on July 29, 2010, 05:12:26 AM
I heard Kim Jong Il died months ago....
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: shawn a on July 30, 2010, 06:44:08 AM
So, if Kim died, who's running the ship?
And I thought the recent rhetoric was attributed to his name.
Could the north be even more unpredictable and dangerous during a time of transition?
AN-2s  vs  Slam Eagles -- there's another mental image for you!!
Shawn A
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: F-111 C/C on July 30, 2010, 03:07:57 PM
Kim Jong Il's lesser known brother, Ment Ally Il. :D :D That was too easy.
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: shawn a on July 31, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
 :D That's good! Can I use that?
Do you think china will put it's puppy on a leash? --AND carry a doggie poop bag?
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: F-111 C/C on August 01, 2010, 12:10:56 AM
 :D You can use that Shawn, I stole it from Dave Letterman!
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: alyster on August 17, 2010, 04:00:50 AM
I think it's an important question that which Northen Korean planes are capable of delivering korean version of the A bomb. I'm not convinced at all that they would have a large stockpile of missiles capable of carrying them anywhere and they aren't reliable either.
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: shawn a on August 17, 2010, 06:28:54 AM
Alyster,
I personally don't think north korea has a version of it's "a-bomb" that is deliverable by an aircraft. I feel whatever they have is most likely a "laboratory" version of a crude fission device.
I wouldn't think that anyone would allow a north korean aircraft to intrude on South Korean airspace at this time, given the moronic rhetoric and absurd posturing that has come from the north lately.
But,I'm so out of the loop, that I don't even know if the planned exercises have even started yet!
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: Webmaster on August 18, 2010, 06:10:24 AM
No, delivery by aircraft is far too risky, especially with the ones they've got! Every few years there's some missiles tests, and you think they'll strap it to a 30-year old MiG? Flown by a pilot who'd rather drop it in the ocean and fly to Japan?

Don't need a large stockpile, just some good ones. Less reliable the better, means that they'll be less likely to pull the switch.

So do they now have that comms sat. into space, or not?
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: shawn a on August 18, 2010, 07:44:59 AM
Haven't heard that north korea had put a satellite up.
A communication satellite? Can't they just use satellite phones and cell phones like the taliban?
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: alyster on August 18, 2010, 02:48:46 PM
Not up to date with this week, but last I heard they were about to launch it. Anyway mobile phones and sat. phones aren't very reliable. Mobiles require on land masts to operate. They are far too easy to bomb down if the enemy depends on them. Also mobiles use 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz frequencies. When you know that, it's far too easy to jam the communications. I'm not too familiar with sat phones, but I assume their frequencies are pretty limited aswell. Also, it's easier to tap in. Probably even more effective than jamming.


Although in Russian -  Georgian conflict for majority of the time  the communication wasn't jammed and the mobile masts weren't bombed. Anyway the radio warfare is very interesting topic, but I can't go deep into it in public. 
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: Webmaster on August 18, 2010, 03:32:19 PM
The theory is that they'd require it to guide their long-range missile (forgot the name), but I don't see why... just use inertial guidance like others have done since the sixties.

More important is if they can launch a sat. into space then obviously the missile works. Remember... the first Soviet ICBM was used for launching the Sputnik!

The point is putting a sat into space has little to do with communications when it comes to North Korea I'm afraid.
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Post by: Raptor on December 03, 2010, 11:32:08 AM
And they've fired on each other. Looks like it's going to be an artillery thing, WWI style. 8)

I think NK would be rather afraid to deploy aircraft, since the pilots can kind of just go to Japan and live the good life. (as was mentioned before...)
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: Webmaster on December 03, 2010, 09:15:30 PM
Today, or last week? Last week it was rocket artillery, so more like WWII East style.

They say this is kinda to strengthen their position for upcoming negotiations. Which makes sense, because other than this, they've got nothing to bring to the table. Another theory had to do with the introduction of Kim's son to power. Probably bit of both, either way, it's pathetic "show-of-force", which isn't even working. But good thing how the South Korean president acted real calm, yet serious, in response of this. He might as well yelled something similar to what was it... something having to do with holes and smoke... ;)
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Post by: Raptor on December 04, 2010, 06:27:37 AM
Today, or last week? Last week it was rocket artillery, so more like WWII East style.

Ah that would be it then. Quite interesting to speculate about the next weapon that they'll use, since i have lots of classmates from China and schoolmates from SK.  :D

But good thing how the South Korean president acted real calm, yet serious, in response of this. He might as well yelled something similar to what was it... something having to do with holes and smoke... ;)

I suppose anyone would remain calm with Japan and the USA standing behind them watching carefully... As far as i can tell, Japan's itching to try out its military strength on NK...  ;)
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: Webmaster on December 10, 2010, 04:35:51 AM
True.

Japan? Hmm, it's still pretty much a defence force. Will their law allow it? Maybe under UN, not sure. Anyway, still plenty of Americans deployed in South Korea and the ROKAF is no walk-over either. So, I don't even think they need Japan there tbh, at least not at first.
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Post by: F-111 C/C on December 10, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
The American Forces in place in South Korea as we speak could take North Korea in a weekend ;).
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: shawn a on December 11, 2010, 04:22:52 AM
Why wait that long?? But china would, once again, never let it happen.
I like the "Ment Ali Ill" joke, and use it every time I can.
china should put a short leash on it's puppy. In order to prevent feces from impacting the air circulation device.
(not so humble opinion)
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: F-111 C/C on December 11, 2010, 06:06:06 AM
I thought I read something about the U.S. talking to China about helping to unify the Koreas again (or did I dream that?).
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: Webmaster on December 11, 2010, 05:52:26 PM
Recently?

Because I think that they did back when Kim Jong-il visited China in Aug 2010. But yeah, the media spend so much time joking about his fear of flying and armoured train, that we've never heard anything on the outcome?
Title: Re: What aircraft will north korea use?
Post by: F-111 C/C on December 11, 2010, 11:18:33 PM
Yeah it might have been about that time. I think the latest actions prove his son is more of a threat that he was.