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Military Aviation => Military Aircraft => Topic started by: Eldorado82 on April 13, 2009, 08:01:22 PM
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hello all!
my name is David...nice to meet you.I grown up as a huge aviation fan in Israeli Air Force where i was serving the A-4's Skyhawks. i would love to know whether there is other air forces that use this old stallion
by the way? in our air force the squadron of Skyhawks is the largest in the army
waiting for your posts hope that this thread will grow into interesting conversation
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Singapore still operates some (around 8 I think), they have been fitted with the F404 engine and are based in France for pilot training (Singapore doesn't have a great deal of airspace).
Brazilian Navy operates the A-4 from their sole carrier, they are refurbished former Kuwaiti A-4KUs.
Argentina Air Force operates the A-4M, but modernized version with AN/APG-66V2, known as A-4AR.
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Hi Eldorado82
Some Skyhawk's are listed at the below event according to this article.
NAS Jacksonville hosts COMPUTEX hostiles (http://www.flightforum.org/index.php/topic,2383.0.html)
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The Singapore A-4SUs have an upgraded avionics suite too (but they're called "super skyhawks") I had a friend go over to france for training recently. Apparently he was too short for the American trainers. ::)
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The Singapore A-4SUs have an upgraded avionics suite too (but they're called "super skyhawks") I had a friend go over to france for training recently. Apparently he was too short for the American trainers. ::)
C'mon now, don't you mean 'vertically challenged'?
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So, he got the job, went to France, and then they realized this? I am confused, I've had all my dimensions measured before coming anywhere close to (not) being selected for the job...
What's he doing now? Went to another type? Helicopter?
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C'mon now, don't you mean 'vertically challenged'?
Indeed now.. ;D
So, he got the job, went to France, and then they realized this? I am confused, I've had all my dimensions measured before coming anywhere close to (not) being selected for the job...
What's he doing now? Went to another type? Helicopter?
No, no what i meant was that with his results (he was a certified pilot BEFORE the air force) he could have gotten into some of the "cooler" aircraft (such as the F-15), but because of his.. Vertical problem.. Landed up in France after a short stint in Australia. I'm not sure where he's headed to now. May be fighter.. Not sure though. :-\
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Ok Eldorado,
So what is the roll rate of your favorite puppy?
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to tell you the truth i never know A-4's roll rate. ??? ??? have i missed anything in my service?....
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The roll rate is 720 degrees per second with a limitation of 2 rolls
before the front and back of the airplane switch positions uncontrollably
with a dynamic called roll coupling.
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The roll rate is 720 degrees per second with a limitation of 2 rolls
before the front and back of the airplane switch positions uncontrollably
with a dynamic called roll coupling.
That sounds like something you'll want to do before a meal then! :-X
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Eldorado,
I've heard conflicting reports on the roll rate, which is why I asked.
One A-4 pilot at Nellis confirmed the 720 figure, (this was well after all A-4s were out of US sevice, his was a target tug, or something, from a private company).
Another aerobatic pilot I know was also curious, and never found anything like that in his research. He came up with 380 degrees per second (which, by the way, is still pretty darn impressive!)
Do you know the reason for the lack of "skin" on the rudder?
Shawn A.
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Hi there Shawn! what do you mean by saying lack of skin on the rudder? i can't understand that figure of speech
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Hmm... I can't send a photo, but all the US aircraft had a rudder with ribs showing, not smooth skin like on the rest of the plane.
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i thing i got what you mean.
is it because of the "honeycore" structure of rudder being made of composited materials?
we have it smooth because the rudder is being made like the rest of the plane, from solid metal and not the composited materials ( at least Skyhawk is made without any composited materials)
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Hmm... I think there was some kind of flutter problem when it was first tested, and Heinemann (the designer) removed the skin on the rudder to continue the tests, and it solved the problem, and the rudder on our planes never got reskinned.
You guys in Israel always seem to improve things when you see a deficiency. That's good.
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the same about the longes exhause pipes at IAI skyhawks, an imporvement that was made because all the heat missiles were guiding them self to the exhaust pipe of the Skyhawk so our engineers came with idea to enlarge it in order the gases that emerge from the engine will be coller. and it worked.
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How about the bulge on the spine?
Was that you guys too?
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tend to think that it's our improvement too. ( i might be mistaken)
the bulge, or hatchbacked version of the Skyahwk was with improved avionics so the bulge contains avionics boxes connected with lots of connectors, and besided that also a current convertor.
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It makes me wonder what you'd do with an F-22 if you got your hands on one.
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dont think that we would change anything. we would use it as-is. have nothing to improve. its just perfect.
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Have you seen one fly? In person, or on a video?
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I did not see one flies,not in person or in video