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Title: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: bhushan on January 24, 2006, 12:52:29 PM

hi guys,

i want to know which is the best attack helicopter in the world.

A) APACHE
B) COBRA
C) ROOIVALK
D) TIGER
E) MI-28
F) KA-52

pls add if i hv missed out any in the above list

bhushan

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: lalanuni on January 25, 2006, 02:41:43 AM

Definately will be KA-52..its the best combat heli ever... ;D

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Vämpi on May 16, 2006, 12:47:22 AM

What Ka-52?   :o    AH-64D Longbow Apache!!!!

why have the most countrys the AH-64? Its the only one that is battle tested in modern wars.
Ok the AH-1 Cobra too, but with the Longbow Radar have the Apaches a advantage against  all others

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Webmaster on June 04, 2006, 01:07:16 AM

What's the status on the Turkish Army selection? They have to pick between some of these. Decision has been postponed a few times, program cancelled and restarted. I think they restarted it again recently. The trouble is that Turkish industry should be getting the lion share of the production work, so maybe the US industry will loose this battle.

Talking about the Ka-52, how's that one getting along...? I haven't heard much about it since the first few pictures showed up. At least the Mi-28 is progressing, see the news about the Mi-28N variant. 

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on September 23, 2006, 11:33:46 AM

Too bad the RAH-66 program was scrapped. Or was it at all. Please enlighten me.

I think, from the list above, the Ah-64D is more reknown. No doubt some Russian helo will come along with 10 times more explosive power and speed. But the Apache Longbow's just reliable enough for me.  ;)

Oh, yeah, just wanted to add. The other helos in there, like the Eurocopter Tigre/Tiger won't really get a lot of publicity here, huh? I think it's a pretty snazzy thing, though.

And the Cobra is outdated

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on September 23, 2006, 04:56:38 PM

Definitly the AH-64 Apache...and the Cobra.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on September 25, 2006, 08:09:44 AM

Oh, come on. The cobra's not up to standard compared to the others in the list.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Webmaster on September 27, 2006, 02:52:26 AM

I don't know, don't forget the new AH-1Z, might do 10x better than a AH-64A.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on September 27, 2006, 05:29:16 AM

Yup, I love the AH-1 Cobra...and the OH-6 Little Bird
That thing going down the streets with rotary guns on the sides and troops sitting on the edge can do alot of damage ;)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on September 30, 2006, 08:40:55 AM

AH-1Z. Yes, possible.
I like the Ka-50 design, too though, could you put that in?. Any idea why Kamov does them all with double-tier blades?

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Webmaster on October 06, 2006, 12:28:06 AM

Yes, no tail rotor required to keep it from turning in the rotor direction. In this config no power is wasted on the tail rotor, giving more for lift, same for the Chinook design, although they are not in the same position. Tail rotor is in normal config quite vulnerable in combat, so that's maybe also a reason why they still use it. Some also say it's a less complicated design, but dunno if that's true.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on October 06, 2006, 08:18:12 AM

Hmmm, possible. It still looks a little odd, though. And you missed out the Russian helo NATO named 'Havoc'. Con't remember the original designation: Mi-? Does anyone know? thanks.   :)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: alyster on October 06, 2006, 02:07:04 PM

You mean the Mi-28?

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on October 07, 2006, 05:12:08 PM

Yeah, the "Havoc" is the Mi-28.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Valiant1 on October 08, 2006, 03:02:35 PM

I love the Apache AH-64B Longbow and the Cobra AH-1Z, but I went online to Military.com and they have a few vids you can view - that Mi-28 Havoc, which sort of has the line of the Apache, looks like an impressive attack heli.  I won't put anything past Russian; they do build some impressive fighting machines.  Check out the vid on the Su-30MK doing some super maneuvers.  Oh, by the way,  watching the Military Channel here in the US, the AK-47 assault rifle made the #1 spot as best rifle in the world of all time.  Congratulations to Kalishnikov and his company.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on October 08, 2006, 06:57:09 PM

Yeah, I heard the AK-47 is a great weapon...I heard it on the military channel and the history channel to.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on October 09, 2006, 11:40:56 AM

Yeah, AK-47s are pretty good weapons.

Hm, so it's the Mi-28. I was wondering, what if Mikoyan was a stand-alone name... We'd have big name mix-ups.  ;D

It's basically an American attack helicopter deriative. Based on the same slim and sleeker lines, other than the usual wider shape of Russian Helos. I'm not the crazy one about rotary-wing aircraft, don't look at me...  ;)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Valiant1 on October 12, 2006, 03:40:07 PM

I'm not crazy about helos either, but  what ever happened to the RAH-66 Comanche?  I thought the US was going to build that awesome helo.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on October 13, 2006, 12:11:33 PM

Yeah, it's just AWSOME. I think they scrapped the program. Too costly. I think. That's what my friend said. (he's an aeronautical engineer)  ;D
Then again, the other stuff are expensive too...

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on October 13, 2006, 12:58:49 PM

Quote from: Valiant1 on October 12, 2006, 03:40:07 PM

I'm not crazy about helos either, but  what ever happened to the RAH-66 Comanche?  I thought the US was going to build that awesome helo.

they scrapped it?? Why?? that helo had a tonne of potential...and it looked mean- is it just me or have the US named their attack choppers after Native American things.. Longbow and Commanche!

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on October 13, 2006, 04:51:48 PM

Last conference attended, it was scrapped for the lack of funding

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Webmaster on October 13, 2006, 10:55:38 PM

They had a more pressing requirement for transport/utility helicopters. So the Apaches are upgraded instead, and more transports on the way... modern Chinooks (CH-47F), Blackhawks (all kinds), and UH-145s are coming, and I think they also ordered some additional AH-64Ds. I think it was a good decision, but maybe it would have been better to postpone it, instead of scrapping it completely. You'll need Apache replacements some day, but maybe they are counting on UAVs for the job by then...?

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on October 14, 2006, 02:26:54 AM

i thought the commanche was supposed to replace the Kiowa Recon Helo

I thought the Commache was a recon chopper??

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on October 14, 2006, 09:55:46 AM

Commanche is a ATTACK helicopter with espoinage or stealth capabilities.

Native american things: They're basically tribes. The Longbow is just what it is: a longbow!  ;D
Google 'Chinook', 'Apache' and 'Commanche' You'll get some interesting stuff.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on October 14, 2006, 09:59:18 AM

so you could call it a recon/attack helicopter.

makes sense giving a recon chopper weapons

like for example

a commanche is watching some warehouse in Pakistan (no offence to anyone) and they see OBL showing up. instead of waiting for attack choppers are planes to come in and blow the warehouse of the map, the commanche fires a coupla missiles at it, job done OBL gone..

nice theory, but they scrapped it :'(

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on October 14, 2006, 01:51:07 PM

Yes, something like that, except it's main role is attack, not recce.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Webmaster on October 14, 2006, 03:24:12 PM

RAH-66... means that recce was intended as quite a big part of its role, otherwise they would not have put it in the designation.

Anyway, Kiowas are more 'observation' helo's, I think serious recce with a chopper is still a bit risky and can better carried out by UAV or aircraft. That's probably why they intended to give the Commanche a recce role, because it would be stealth....not that angry guys with RPGs would care about that...

The Kiowa Warriors will be replaced by the Bell ARH, Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter, I forgot to mention these above. Pretty big order, 368 helo's for 2.2 billion USD.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on October 15, 2006, 07:43:27 PM

I cant believe they scrapped the RAH-66  :'( 

And I know what UH, AH, CH, etc. means but what does MH mean? as in the MH-6 Littlebird?   ???

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on October 16, 2006, 08:27:46 AM

MH means Multimission Helicopter!

(thank god for google:>)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on October 16, 2006, 09:23:00 AM

Don't know anything? GOOGLE it! lol, but what do they want a helicopter they can't afford for???

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on October 16, 2006, 09:27:53 AM

bahaha

Define:MH

on google
define any word and its like a dictionary

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on October 21, 2006, 04:19:16 PM

Thanks Gripen.

I love those little birds!

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on December 14, 2006, 11:52:19 AM

Abuse of Google. Plenty of weak points on the Mi-28...

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on December 15, 2006, 02:24:47 AM

Apperently Australia is buying the new Eurocopter Tiger thing. Im shocked that we didnt buy another American piece of crap. everything else we have is.

Like we replaced out Leopard tanks with stupid Abrams.
And we ware replacing our F-18's with F-35's.

WHAT IS AUSTRALIA"S FASINATION WITH AMERICA?????????????

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on December 15, 2006, 03:47:48 AM

Hm. The Tiger's pretty good.

Oh, politics, i suppose. Singapore's using the F-16s, 5s, A-4SUs, F-15s coming, M16s, M-113, AMX, some other pieces of old vietnam junk too... Although our REAL tanks are all Israeli made and hidden underground...

Isn't Aussie supposed to be allied to Britain first, then USA???

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on December 15, 2006, 04:19:09 AM

Nah that changed when Japan declared war on us and the US in WW2. I didnt see Britain sending troops to Australia, no, we had send our boys there.

Did you know that when Australia looked like it was going to be invaded (never was thankfully) that Britain would only send 1 battalion of OUR soldiers back home. Ever since then weve been closer to the USA. and the Brits screwed us over in WW1, Gallipoli. Bascially, Britain has treated us like a thing to catch bullets so their precious soldiers dont get hurt.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on December 15, 2006, 05:02:54 AM

Yup  ;D But our stuff is not crap Gripen. It will knock the socks off of anything thrown at us. And the Abrams...whew...dont wanna get in its way...the Leopard is really outdated...the M1A2 Abrams however is top technology.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Webmaster on December 15, 2006, 05:10:19 AM

The latest Leopards are also great. I think Australia still has/had Leopard I tanks? Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands have been cruising around in Leopard IIs for quite a while, and I think they were even improved and upgraded along the way.

However, it's funny we are discussing tanks here, when the topic subject are the most lethal opponents for tanks. Don't you think tanks are getting outdated, and any army having/buying large amounts of tanks is still thinking in terms of the cold war era situations and battlefields? It may be better to invest on mobile forces, fleet of tactical helicopters and attack helicopters to escort them and clear the battlefield of any opponent's tanks, if the air force hasn't already taken care of them!

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-5
Post by: Viggen on December 15, 2006, 06:24:20 AM

The new Leopard is actually often named as the greatest tank of all time to date. In most documetaries, this is the information given to the viewer. But i think i have to agree with Cobra2, or they both share first place.  :)

I still think tanks a crucial for the battlefield. You have to remember that they are great to hide behind when storming forward on foot. You need to catch your breath sometimes and reload, so why not behind a burnt out tank. ;)

Seriously, they are great tools  to have during city-battles. We have not seen the last of tanks yet for a long time.  As for a helicopter like the Apache, it is still number one.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on December 15, 2006, 07:03:17 AM

Erk, America always attack places that no one has ever heard of. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN< GERMANY...

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-5
Post by: Cobra2 on December 15, 2006, 11:09:14 PM

Quote from: Viggen on December 15, 2006, 06:24:20 AM

The new Leopard is actually often named as the greatest tank of all time to date. In most documetaries, this is the information given to the viewer. But i think i have to agree with Cobra2, or they both share first place.  :)

I still think tanks a crucial for the battlefield. You have to remember that they are great to hide behind when storming forward on foot. You need to catch your breath sometimes and reload, so why not behind a burnt out tank. ;)

Seriously, they are great tools  to have during city-battles. We have not seen the last of tanks yet for a long time.  As for a helicopter like the Apache, it is still number one.

Thanks viggen, and I agree about tanks being a crucial battlefield weapon. And like you said about storming a place on foot...foot soldiers couldnt do it without vehicles like the tank when your under heavy fire with no cover in a desert situation...or a hill or field etc.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on January 17, 2007, 08:51:46 AM

Quote from: Gripen on December 15, 2006, 07:03:17 AM

Erk, America always attack places that no one has ever heard of. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN< GERMANY...

THAT is so funny. I've heard of Germany, but when did USA do Germany in the Mordern age? Whatever, Got you statement somewhere higher up. Ok, i see...hm...politics, politics...

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on February 09, 2007, 09:56:19 AM

politics wrecks everyones fun:(

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Globetrotter on February 09, 2007, 04:25:56 PM

Quote from: Gripen on December 15, 2006, 07:03:17 AM

Erk, America always attack places that no one has ever heard of. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN< GERMANY...

You have never heard of those thre?????????? poor you...

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on February 09, 2007, 07:40:31 PM

Everyone has heard of those places  :D

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on February 10, 2007, 01:57:07 AM

Yes, only because America attacked them

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on February 10, 2007, 04:53:29 AM

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on February 10, 2007, 12:05:51 PM

I so wish i could do animations here. HAHAHAHAHAHA  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Globetrotter on February 10, 2007, 01:33:50 PM

you can, noticed the flash button over there, when you post??

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on February 10, 2007, 06:51:16 PM

Where at?

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Globetrotter on February 10, 2007, 11:02:35 PM

just below the button to make the letters bold (that bold B)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on February 10, 2007, 11:28:27 PM

Oh ok.

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on February 13, 2007, 04:42:33 AM

Ooh. Yeah. I see it. Back to the topic... Aren't Tanks kinda vulnerable to Helos now...?

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on February 13, 2007, 06:03:30 PM

Hahahahahahaha....definitely  >:D

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on February 14, 2007, 06:08:16 AM

noo.. they are vulnerable to missiles launched from helicopters.. i dont see a Police Copter blowing up tanks

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on February 14, 2007, 08:29:44 AM

I see it. A police Copter can carry guys with Stinger(tm)s

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on February 14, 2007, 08:58:18 AM

stinger is an anti air missile is it not?

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on February 14, 2007, 08:25:44 PM

Lol

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-5
Post by: Viggen on February 15, 2007, 11:29:59 AM

What i understand, then the Stinger is a heatseaking portable anti-air missile. I really dont think you can use it agains tanks, a TOW however...he he :)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Cobra2 on February 15, 2007, 10:34:36 PM

 >:D >:D

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on February 16, 2007, 05:52:37 AM

Quote from: Viggen on February 15, 2007, 11:29:59 AM

What i understand, then the Stinger is a heatseaking portable anti-air missile. I really dont think you can use it agains tanks, a TOW however...he he :)

that was my point :)

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on February 16, 2007, 08:11:51 AM

From what i understand, the Stinger is the ultimate multi-task missile. But i might be wrong, and a TOW sounds so much more fun. Bahahahahaha >:D >:D >:D

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on February 16, 2007, 09:24:47 AM

a stinger would not have the power to break the armour of a tank.. its fast enough to catch a plane and take it out coz they are a lot weaker then tanks are

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on March 02, 2007, 08:10:43 AM

Yeah... Oh, wait, there's the Stinger tank.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Gripen on March 02, 2007, 08:31:04 AM

techaniqaully its a mobile SAM laucher..

or a jeep with two guys and two Stinger Missiles in it.. think Bulkan War

Title: Re: best attack heli -apache v/s cobra v/s rooivalk v/s tiger v/s mi-28 v/s ka-52
Post by: Raptor on March 03, 2007, 04:59:59 AM

Hm. Yeah, i think i get it now...