China showing off there aircraft in Russia August 07

[tigershark]

China and Russia will be holding a large joint exercise in August 9 to the 17th.   According this story the FC-1 and China hottest new fighter the J-10 will take part.   I guess when it gets closer to the date maybe a confirmed list of aircraft and maybe different assets will be listed.   I would like to see some confirmed announcement from China before getting my hopes up on the J-10 taking part. 

The story I found
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.xinhuanet.com%2Fmil%2F2007-06%2F27%2Fcontent_6294092.htm&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

[valkyrian]

Another interesting match, a derby between J10-Su30.......

[tigershark]

In the Chinese forums they meaning Chinese people, claim the J-10 beats both Su-27/30 and the Chinese Flanker J-11B.  I have no way of confirming this but they do mention it. 

[valkyrian]

This proves how good pilots Chinese are....

[Webmaster]

  When I read the topic, I was hoping to read about the J-10 being displayed at MAKS, lol.

I don't think there will be any info released, and it might be too 'strategical' in nature to have 1vs1/2vs2 engagement among the latest fighters. If there will be a Red Air, they probably won't have the latest fighters. The Su-30MKK probably will be tested in their A-S mostly. I wouldn't be surpised to see reports that the J-10 proved better than the J-11 and Su-30MKK in this exercise anyways... lol

Now I'll say what will come out of this, if something comes out: The J-10 is a Chinese design, most recent, in production, of course it will be better than the J-11. And the Su-30MKK, that's as good as the J-10, (otherwise someone will get the stupid idea to drop the contract/development in favor of an all-Chinese product and leave the AF+Navy without a proper fighter-bomber). For bilateral outcomes. The RuAF fighters, if they did well, it's because of their better pilots. If they did not well, it's because they didn't had AWACS and were restricted in choice of weapons. And likewise for the PLAAF.

So, I'm not so excited about this. Wondering how many strategic and long-range Russian bombers will take part though.

[tigershark]

Just found this a list from Russia

The exercise will also involve 2,000 Russian and 1,700 Chinese soldiers, plus an unspecified number of Russian logistics-support units. The Russian Air Force will contribute six Ilyushin Il-76 Candid transport planes, nine Sukhoi Su-25 Frogfoot ground-attack jets, 14 Mil Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunships and 18 Mi-8 Hip helicopters.

China will provide six Il-76 aircraft, eight JH-7-A fighter-bombers, 16 JG-9-W and 16 Mi-17 Hip helicopters.

Moreover, each side will contribute 18 122-mm and 100-mm artillery systems.

Full story
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070724/69580465.html

[valkyrian]

....after the excercise China will donate her aircrafts to various museum around the world........

I can't believe why these people still operate this junk.....they have a strong economy/industry but their machines are at least museum items..............say do they still operate that tube plus wings derivatives of the Mig-19?

[tigershark]

China's junk
China will provide six Il-76 aircraft, eight JH-7-A fighter-bombers, 16 JG-9-W and 16 Mi-17 Hip helicopters.
valkyrian maybe you don't know but there JH-7 have F-4 engines in and they carry like 6/7 tons of bombs, anti-ship, smart weapons etc, and can fire radar guided air to air missiles too.   China latest model of this aircraft is rated higher as a striker then then their Russian Su-30s because of the added capabilities.  I've seen pictures of this aircraft rigged with four 801 or 802 anti-ship missiles, not bad for tube design. 
six Il-76 aircraft- these are current Russia uses these
16 Mi-17 Hip helicopters - again Russia uses these currently
JG-9-W- I don't know what these are I think helicopter but just did a search at http://www.sinodefence.com/others/search.asp?cx=012689940113808845999%3Agwf6dwyuib4&q=JG-9&sa.x=13&sa.y=12&sa=search&cof=FORID%3A11#223
and didn't see anythng.

Don't get wrong I'm not saying there the best but Chinese equipment has improved a little check out this site
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/default.asp

[valkyrian]

Well, i must say that i confused the JF-7 with other tube+wing designs, which is not. But i must say that if they claim to be better than their Su-30's, then i think those Chinese have lost their mind.

[tigershark]

It's not so much that the Chinese rate the JH-7 higher then a Su-27 SK or Su-30M Flanker it's just that there able to put their own weapons on it so it's more useful to them.   I guess it's a code thing and Russia doesn't want to give certain codes or tech away to China.   Both aircraft have about the size payload makes you think how good a F-4 engine is right, it's the English version engine.   As a stand off weapons platform it serves their purpose put a few SK Flankers as escorts and you got yourself a package.

[valkyrian]

Yes they put the Spey engine, a turbofan engine, particularly good (Rolls Royce!!). Conventional aerodynamics, reminiscent of Jaguar Mitsubishi F-1...a sure way to design a conventional attacher....well done.....as for electronics?

[Webmaster]

Probably closer to a basic Su-24 or maybe Su-24M. :-p

Let me post some JH-7 (aka FBC) pics before anyone else confusing it with a J-6 (MiG-19) or J-7 (MiG-21).

JG-9W, to be honest I hadn't heard of it before either (not this designation), but it looks to be a Z-9 'Harbin' armed with anti-tank missiles. Third attachment:

Anyway, no fighters, just ground troops with artillery and air support.