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Military Aviation => Military Aircraft => Topic started by: Cobra2 on September 12, 2006, 10:37:31 PM

Title: F-35 JSF
Post by: Cobra2 on September 12, 2006, 10:37:31 PM
is the JSF a stealth aircraft or not?
Title: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Cobra2 on September 12, 2006, 10:44:30 PM
I heard in one of my new info books that our F-35 thats coming into production in 2007 in an order of 2800 at a cost of $60MIL each...and there going to replace our old model F-18 and tank busting jobs that the A-10 currently does...(but not replace them completely)...and also i heard that were selling some to Australia and Britain also....and this will have V/TOL capability...with thrust vectoring and a fan in its fuselage for vertical take-off...this will be used for frontline service and to land in ground unit bases...ask for more info or mail me for more information. I do not know however if its a stealth plane or not...so if you could post in the F-35 thread that i made (another F-35 thread that i made)
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Cobra2 on September 12, 2006, 10:49:33 PM
Ok, nevermind, I found out that the F-35 is a stealth aircraft.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Valiant1 on September 15, 2006, 05:03:16 PM
Well, to inform you, Britain is one of the MAJOR partners in the JSF program.  They're investing heavily into it because they desparately need a replacement for their Harriers, as well as the US Marines' Harriers.  VSTOL is important to the Brits and the Marines BUT they need a plane that can fly FASTER than the speed of sound; the Harrier doesn't have that capability.  Australia, I believe, did not invest in the program, but are on the list to buy the F-35.  There are a number of other countries who are on the list to buy the F-35, mostly European, most likely Spain and Italy, to replace their Harriers.  I believe Canada's on the list and possibly South Korea and Taiwan has expressed interest.  Think about it - a jet that can LAND and TAKEOFF from anywhere and go almost TWICE the speed of sound WITHOUT afterburners.  WOW! What does the opposition have to compare?  NOTHING!!!!
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Cobra2 on September 15, 2006, 09:45:26 PM
Yeah, Australia, Britain, Italy, Turkey, and some other countries...
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Cobra2 on September 15, 2006, 09:59:43 PM
I can see Britain and Israel...but not the rest...aslong as Britain and Israel doesnt sell to others...i dont think Israel will...Britain iether...lets hope not.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Valiant1 on September 15, 2006, 10:40:09 PM
Cobra 2,  I don't think you have to worry about that.  By the time our "allies" have sold their portions of the F-35 to other countries who are friendly towards the US, we'll have another aircraft in its place flying already, meaning the F-35 would be "old news".  Then those countries that do plan to use the F-35 against,  we'll just take the fight to them and shoot them down. 
I believe the only reason why a country like Russia has a plane like the Su-27 is because they got a hold of American technology.  Look at the lines of the Flanker - it's a cross between an F-14 and an F-15.   Possibly they bought an F-14 from Iran?  No matter, like I've said in another segment (F-15 Eagle vs. Su-27 Flanker), the TOP DOG is the F-22 Raptor, and it will blow everything out of the sky, present and projected.  Read my post on that topic, if you don't mind and tell me what you think.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Cobra2 on September 16, 2006, 04:07:46 AM
But still...its stealth technology...not something to mess around with.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Valiant1 on September 16, 2006, 10:10:18 PM
Hey Cobra 2, I was watching the Military Channel last night and do you know why the Japanese had such a great warbird (the Zero) in WWII?  That's because Pratt & Whitney gave them the design to the famous radial engines used by the Corsair, Hellcat and Thunderbolt.  And the same with Germany's Focke-Wulf 190.  The radial engine used by the FW-190 was designed after P&W's radial engine.
Here's the thing - Japan and Germany was America's most hated enemies - now they're one of our closest allies.  The world is unpredictable, it's a chance the US government is gonna have to take to be a world player (unfortunately).  If I had it my way - I'd close the borders, pull out of Iraq and take care of our internal problems first befor we go policing the entire world.  We could use our taxpayers' dollars HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA instead of some foreign country.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Cobra2 on September 16, 2006, 10:47:04 PM
Yeah,  but if we pulled out of Iraq then they could take another cheap shot at us...its something we have to do...for Iraq itself and us...and other countries. But the radial engine wasnt stealth...they could use this against us you see?
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Valiant1 on September 17, 2006, 03:52:44 AM
That's not what I meant about the radial engine...my point is that the enemy, in this case Japan and Germany, used what we gave them, against us.  Other nations might do the same.  But for a fact, England and the Netherlands would never use the F-35 against us unless we decide to go and bomb their countries.  England is, in fact, our closest ally.  The Dutch are also on the same team.  Remember, we can't fight any battle or war alone anymore, we need our allies and giving them part of our technology may be one of the sacrifices we need to make.  Also remember that England is one of the major investors in the F-35 JSF program and they deserve to have as many of the fighters that they can afford.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF info
Post by: Cobra2 on September 17, 2006, 05:47:18 AM
You know hwat Valiant1? you are very, very right...we do need our allies...and they need us. And I know that England and Netherlands and Israel and other countries wouldnt use them against us...but do you think they will sell them to other countries like Iran, Russia, China and countries like that? because that would be very bad. I just hope they dont sell them...but you made a good point Valiant and I thank you.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF
Post by: Webmaster on September 19, 2006, 01:53:55 AM
Enough politics, enough off-topic posts.
You made it clear that you don't think exporting military technology is a good idea. I think it enables the industry to develop the technology further and beyond, reducing losses on both sides when there is a need to go to war. But please, I insists that we focus the discussion on the topics itself as much as possible, without involving politics in it every single time and posting flamatory personal opinions on other countries and their people. If you are here to discuss politics only, please go somewhere else. This is an international forum with people from all over the world to discuss military aviation. Of course it is inevitable that the discussions will include discussions about politics, but please keep it objective or at least without insulting other countries and their people.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF
Post by: Valiant1 on September 19, 2006, 04:16:22 AM
You made your point, Webmaster, but try to understand people on this side of the pond.  September 11, 2001 put a knife in our hearts.  My wife's uncle was in the North Tower when it was struck by the airliner.  I thank God he made it out alive - barely.  And for a country, which shall remain nameless, to say we deserved it, is TRULY UNCALLED FOR.  We didn't expect that from friendly nations; we expected that from our enemies.  Many different nationalities were killed that day.  We just want people to respect our dead and the way we feel, not drive the knife deeper.
We, as Americans, would do the same for any nation who would go through this kind of disaster.
Title: Re: F-35 JSF
Post by: Gripen on October 13, 2006, 01:30:20 PM
im an aussie and the sept 11 attacks were bad for everyone.. but thats not the point

as far as i know, austrlia contributed to the JSF.. i think the US tested the plane out in the Northern Territory, most airstrips out there are thick dust and they wanted to see what effect it has on the plane. and i can swear that i seen a JSF fly over my house a few months back (there is an airbase about 22km's from my house) it was grey and had a single engine.. well i think it had a single engine, maybe it was a Hawk trainer..
anyway..
 the whole stealth principal is flawed.. and frankly, its low, like how snipers were considered... but they are necessary today, so stealth might get its day..
Title: Re: F-35 JSF
Post by: Raptor on October 14, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
The pilot would have to use it's stealth capability wisely, of course, although flying low would reveal the jet, if it maintained a high altitude it will most likely be able to exploit it's superior equipment to it's greatest advantage.