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Re: J-10
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2007, 08:30:56 PM »
A little China Africa breakdown
Which African countries has China sold weapons to?
Between 1955 and 1977, Le Monde reports, China sold $142 million worth of military equipment to Africa, and the pace of sales has picked up significantly since then. The Congressional Research Service reports China's arms sales to Africa made up 10 percent of all conventional arms transfers to the continent between 1996 and 2003. They include:
•   Sudan. China has sold the Islamic government in Khartoum weapons and $100 million worth of Shenyang fighter planes, including twelve supersonic F-7 jets, according to the aerospace industry journal Aviation Week and Space Technology. Experts say any military air presence exercised by the government—including the helicopter gunships reportedly used to terrorize civilians in Darfur—comes from China.
•   Equatorial Guinea. China has provided military training and Chinese specialists in heavy military equipment to the leaders of the tiny West African nation, whose oil reserves per capita approach and may exceed those of Saudi Arabia.
•   Ethiopia and Eritrea. China sold Ethiopia and its neighbor, Eritrea, an estimated $1 billion worth of weapons before and during their border war from 1998 and 2000.
•   Burundi. In 1995, a Chinese ship carrying 152 tons of ammunition and light weapons meant for the army of Burundi was refused permission to dock in Tanzania.
•   Tanzania. According to the Overseas Development Institute, China has delivered at least thirteen covert shipments of weapons labeled as agricultural equipment to Dar-es-Salaam.
•   Zimbabwe. The autocratic government of Robert Mugabe ordered twelve FC-1 fighter jets and 100 military vehicles from China in late 2004 in a deal worth $200 million, experts say. In May 2000, China reportedly swapped a shipment of small arms for eight tons of Zimbabwean elephant ivory, Taylor writes in his report. In addition, the U.S.-backed International Broadcast Bureau says China provided a radio jamming device to Zimbabwe that allows Mugabe's regime to block broadcasts of independent news sources like Radio Africa from a military base outside Harare. China also donated the blue tiles that decorate the roof of Mugabe's house.


So Sudan or/ both Zimbabwean might be future buyers of J-10 or FC-1 fighters.   


http://www.cfr.org/publication/9557/   The above is from a 2007
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Re: J-10
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2007, 09:02:16 PM »
Interesting... so what I can extract from that is that they are interested in African Oil... and Ivory. May there be a weapons race in Africa? Or are they just renewing their material?

Well, I guess that the J-10 has a future, but I can't wait to see it do some exercise with other country's planes... ::)
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Re: J-10
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2007, 02:19:39 PM »
Sudan has built stronger ties with Russia though and is looking at MiG-29 advanced variants. Those helicopter gunships are Mi-35s, definately NOT coming from China. Belief it or not, China is not a Hind operator. Who are those experts  ;) Sudan did also recently order the K-8 trainer, so yes definately a market for the J-10./FC-10.

I think your missing a few on your list:

- Namibia: ordered 6 to 8 Chengdu F-7NG fighters, so in future might be a small market for the FC-10.
- Nigeria: Nigeria is spending more and more on defence. 156 million has been set aside to get grounded fighters back in the air. A replacement for the Alpha Jet is needed, L-159 has been offered, but I'd bet on the K-8. The NAF has bought Chengdu J-7s in the past and has been expressing interest in the F-8IIM (pic). Definately a market for the FC-10.
- Ghana: bought some K-8 jet trainers, but I don't think they will ever have the cash for real fighters.

and maybe some more
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Re: J-10
« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2007, 02:21:28 PM »
Hi Webmaster
Thanks for pointing out a few more countries that I left out.  And yes I did know that China isn't a Hind user, never understood it but did know it.   I started this by doing a simple search in Google for “Chinese arms in Africa" I was researching who might buy the J-10 or even the FC-1/JF-17and I stumble onto this topic.   I had no idea that China had such strong and growing interest in Africa sort have caught me off guard a little.   This J-10 just caught my attention it seems so much more then a glorified Mig-21 it’s like they jump into the big leagues with this one.   

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Re: J-10
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2007, 01:40:13 AM »
China Oil obsession
I found this and thought it was interesting reading
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1813592

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Re: J-10
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2007, 10:31:48 AM »
I'm a bit confused here. Does reccehet want to live or not? And oh, hang on. What on earth is going on with the sales thing? SG nearly bought the Terminators from russia, co-incidentally... And oh, i had no idea China had an oil-obsession...
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Re: J-10
« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2007, 10:52:38 AM »
Talk c*ck leh you!

What live or not? ???

My comments were made in the context of posts that have been taken away, I'm assuming due to their content.

I didn't make comments on the points raised in this thread through my last post. Just observing the conduct at the time which has now been rectified ;D

I dislike arguments that resort to attacks on the opposing parties rather than the discussing of the issues involved.

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Re: J-10 -And oh, i had no idea China had an oil-obsession...
« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2007, 06:37:53 PM »
I'm sorry everybody I went off topic on the China oil issue and away from the J-10 itself.   I'll post some new stuff I found on it soon, well I think its' new.

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Re: J-10
« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2007, 03:37:05 AM »
ew J-10 satellite antenna
From China Defense Blog : Sharp eye folks have spotted a new satellite antenna on the J-10 spine behind the cockpit.


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Re: J-10
« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2007, 07:09:06 AM »
That was a brilliant singaporean reply. heh.

I can't see it, nonpilot...
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Re: J-10
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2007, 09:01:34 AM »
me neither. all i see is a grey thing behind the cockpit with a red circle drawn around it

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Re: J-10
« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2007, 01:39:18 PM »
Looks like a good spot for datalink antenna, but can be some fairing for any kind of antenna, or even for a new canopy actuator which takes some more place than the previous one  :P :P
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