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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2007, 10:00:49 AM »
Lol. I'm with you on this one, Cobra. The F-15s rule. The Eagle pilot was prolly being nice
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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2007, 03:57:05 PM »
I'm getting tired of this. First, it was an exercise. Second, it was an exercise on Indian turf. Thirdly, the radar envelops were probably predetermined and radars not used in order not to reveal capabilities/emissions. Four, missiles were probably generic, for same reason. Five, it was a within visual range, no BVR scenario, the one the USAF is set up for. Six, was it in a 1vs1 scenario?exercise scenario might have predetermined the outcome, for example the F-15 is a red fighter attacking the bomber formation, the blue MiG-21 are protecting the formation. Could have been as crazy as 4vs1, because the goal is the blue fighter learn how to escort the bombers along the way. The F-15 just needs to try and shoot down as many bombers as it can. Or the MiG-21 was red force, attacking the formation is superior numbers to give the blue F-15 a hard time protecting the bombers. Seven, altitude? Eight, pilot experience? Nine, what else was thrown at the F-15, maybe it was doing SAM evasive maneuvers when the MiG-21 sneak up. Or it was chasing a Su-30.

In real life, the AWACS would have picked up the MiG-21 100 miles off, the F-15 would turn, pick it up on radar, fire one of two AMRAAMs at it, destroying it even before the MiG-21 comes anywhere close to enough range for its R-73. Break off and go after the next target or return to the formation, while the active missiles find their target. Do this in a joint exercise and It wouldn't be a good exercise for the MiG-21 pilot, he can basically take-off, take heading, enjoy the sound of its RWR bells while making one evasive turn, and then land, or do it again.
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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2007, 04:13:57 AM »
Haha good one, Webby.
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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2007, 10:02:04 PM »
There is another answer. The F15´s first ever kill was made by the Israeli air force, guess what kind of planes they shot down. Yes, MIG21´s. Three fighters where downed all by different weapons, the gun, heat and radar missiles.
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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2007, 06:37:57 AM »
How did the cannon manage that? The F-15's cannon isn't the best. Or even close...
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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2007, 01:26:01 AM »
Are you serious? On what planet are you living?

The AIM-9B, AIM-7, or R-60 weren't the best missiles, and look at the kills they scored. Not to mention what ancient AAA can do. The RPG isn't even considered a MANPAD/SAM, but look at what it has brought down over the years. A short burst of 20mm munitions at the speed and rate of the M61 is enough to bring down any fuel loaden aircraft, providing you actually hit it, which shouldn't have been too hard since the F-15 wouldn't have had too much difficulties to get a good firing solution. Even if both planes had flown toward eachother, both firing the gun, under the assumption there's no such thing as luck, the M61 would probably still have killed the MiG-21 sooner, than the GSh-23 cannon would have done the F-15, despite the F-15 being a somewhat bigger target even head-on.
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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2007, 11:12:33 AM »
The F15 did shot down the MIG from a 6 o´clock position. According to the Israeli pilots, they favour guns over missiles. They spend tremendous amount of time to be able to kill with guns in any of their fighters. This is because they dont want to put their trust in missiles, missiles tend to be fooled or simply not work (atleast in the 60´s-80´s).

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Re: World's Greatest Ever Fighter
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2007, 04:26:09 AM »
Hm ok yeah. Hey webby you added that nav thing at the bottom. ;D

Suppose it's an A-10 vs an F-15 at close range? ;D
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