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Title: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: tigershark on February 12, 2009, 01:16:17 AM
SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=257&linkid=1615&linkname=SU-34/32FN-Fullback-Long-range-fighter-bomber

I was wondering how does the Su-34 compare to a F-111 and to a F-15E in weapons load and range.  This poster mentioned that it weights 45 tons compared to a F-15E 36, now I'm not sure that's right but that's what caught my attention the weights. 

12 pylons I thought Su-30s have 14?  Another question I have is why not standardized production and go with a duel role Su-35 to carry out both mission types.  I don't see the payload differences between the two like between a F-111 and F-15E, to produce both models in such tough times. 

Just going by this web page it's late 90s tech 2000/2001 that's it, I didn't see any upgrades to the program maybe I miss something.  So tech wise the few Su-35 built are most likely more advance in some areas I assume computer power wise at least right? 
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: F-111 C/C on February 12, 2009, 05:25:31 AM
According to what I've read about these (and details are sketchy) is that the program has still yet to really get off the ground and that only a few planes exist of which have shown up at different venues over the years as different model variants (Navy version, MF multi-role version, etc.). Like all these jets, the statistics on paper seem pretty impressive including TERCOM, their version of TFR. The weapons load numbers that I can find are close to 18,000 lbs of weapons (compared to just over 24,000 lbs for the F-15E, and over 40,000 lbs for the F-111). The ferry range is equal in the Sukhoi and Strike Eagle at about 2400 miles (4200 in the -111).
As cool of a jet it is (including the galley and toilet behind the cockpit) it just doesn't come close to the speed and weapons delivery of the Strike Eagle in my opinion.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: shawn a on February 12, 2009, 08:33:39 PM
I think it's a lot prettier than either a -15 or a 'Vark.
In an absolutely ancient copy of Jane's, the max takeoff weight is listed as 97,800 lbs = 48.9 tons.
It looks as if there is a lot of room in the plane, perhaps too much devoted to a toilet, cooking area and a bunk!
The photo in Jane's shows a boarding ladder going into the nose wheel well.
I should have film and photos by Sept.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: F-111 C/C on February 13, 2009, 12:17:49 AM
How was your trip Shawn? I agree, all of the Su-27 variants are beautiful. Nothing looks as mean as an F-15E fully loaded with 24,000 lbs of Mk-82s or Mk-20s with TFR and FLIR pods hanging below the intakes though IMO.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: shawn a on February 14, 2009, 07:02:53 AM
I'll be going to the MAKS show in Aug.--If there's any questions you want me to ask about the 34/32 or whatever they call it today, (assuming I have an interpreter) let me know. It looks mean, too, with the huge airshow loadout under it, but it's display was rather sedate in '07. I don't know much about weight and balance, center of gravity, center of lift and so on, but why all that room devoted to bunk, toilet and stove? Seems like it would be better suited to fuel, avionics, and a cooler full of sandwiches and vodka.
The wine tasting was great- the headache should be gone in a week or so.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: Webmaster on May 04, 2009, 04:04:22 AM
Unfortunately, I don't know the latest status either, but it's a bit further along than F-111C/C said. This is what I know:

1) Red 01 and Red 02 were the first two production-standard aircraft handed over to the RuAF for state trials in late 2006, delivery in 2007. Red 01 is said to be the final prototype, code 49, upped to standard. Red 02 seems would then be 48. According to my info there was a 8 month delay between hand-over and actual first delivery to the test unit. Six more were to follow the same year, but deliveries didn't materialize afaik.

2) Red 03 was delivered, not sure when exactly, still working that out before I update my Su-34 section. First real new one it seems, so production should be underway now on the other 5.

3) March 28, 2009, (March 27 according to NAPO  :-\) Medvedev flew the aircraft Red 03. Stating, an order would be placed for 24 aircraft, with 32 to be in service by 2015. I think this confirms the initial order of 8 (3 delivered so far).

4) NAPO (Sukhoi owned) / RuAF refers to it as Su-34, while the Sukhoi site still lists it as Su-32 (possibly maintained for export customers, as the earlier Su-32FN/MF demonstrators, or just out-of-date).

5) 32 by 2015 is less than 50% of the previously envisaged 70. Don't think they couldn't produce more, but I think allocation of the defence funding package has possible changed (more money towards nuclear and long-range, pak-fa maybe) and shrinking as a result of the economic crises and drop of energy prices. Just speculating.


Regarding the other questions:

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I'm not sure that's right but that's what caught my attention the weights. 
Weight: I know! I am not sure they can trusted either, although compared to the other Flankers, it's not inconceivable.

Weapons load:  8000 kg (17,637 lb)
This number is the same as reported for the Su-35/30, I am suspicious of this number, as I know it hasn't been changed since the first publication on the Su-34. But looking at more recent empty / normal / max weights figures, it seems it has gained about 4000 kg in weight and 2000-2500 kg in fuel, so if you then look at the others, then indeed you end up with a 8000 kg max load. But maybe that just is because the figures have been extrapolated/calculated on the basis of limited data available. The 8kg max on the Su-27 was achieved by structural reinforcements. I am thinking the Su-34 might be capable of more at the expense of fuel, whereas on the Su-27SMK/Su-30MK2 it's the hard limit. I'm no aerospace engineer though.

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12 pylons I thought Su-30s have 14?
12

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Another question I have is why not standardized production and go with a duel role Su-35 to carry out both mission types.  I don't see the payload differences between the two like between a F-111 and F-15E, to produce both models in such tough times. 
Because it needs the range that the Su-35 can only offer with external fuel, limiting its load carrying. Then there's the second cockpit, better attack radar / TFR and EW equipment that would make the Su-35 too heavy and expensive for export of the air dominance role. I would have suggested fitting that 117S engine to the Su-34 though, not sure where they stand on that. May be impossible now without further changes (needs bigger intakes).

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Just going by this web page it's late 90s tech 2000/2001 that's it, I didn't see any upgrades to the program maybe I miss something.  So tech wise the few Su-35 built are most likely more advance in some areas I assume computer power wise at least right? 
Uhm, I think you have to consider that most webpages are written on the basis of 2000/2001 publications, reporting on 1990s projects in their early 'proof of concept' stages, which have been on hold since, resumed with know-how and experience gained with other projects. What I am trying to say is that in the 90s, they didn't have a lot yet. Those prototypes didn't have full mission suites.


Taking a bit of a risk here, and adding some found pictures:

Regarding the cockpit pics, they are from the pre-production/later prototypes. It may have changed.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: iluveagles on May 05, 2009, 03:14:15 AM
I have the max take off at 97,795lb and the max ordnance load at 17,636lb. Max ceiling is 55,755lb. It's AL-31FM engines are rated at 29,320lb st a piece. Other than that, the performance is very close the the Su-27 Flanker-B.

Which gives it a speed that is not quite as fast as the F-15 or the F-111. It's max take off is bigger than the -15 and -111, but I think the aircraft itself weighs significantly more or at least that would logically make sense since the engines are so much bigger, but the aircraft flies slower than the -15 and -111.

I'd say that it's not even a close match for the F-15E and it is probably a match for the F-111, depending on the avionics that the -34 has in it and the updated avionics that that -111 has(for the Aussies) and had when it was still in service here in the US. The clincher is whether the Su-34 is actually a decently designed aircraft, the F-111 is not the exactly the aviation design marvel of the 20th century.

Eagles
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: Webmaster on May 05, 2009, 12:37:58 PM
It's AL-31FM engines are rated at 29,320lb st a piece.

AL-31FM? May be planned. They're still flying with the basic AL-31F 27,560 lb for now.

They aren't much bigger or heavier than the F100/F110...
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: iluveagles on May 06, 2009, 01:15:58 AM
Says who?

I was refering to the whole aircraft...
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: Webmaster on May 06, 2009, 02:23:15 AM
Says who?

Yefim Gordon, 2009, Russian Air Power, Midland Publishing.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: iluveagles on May 06, 2009, 04:55:56 AM
ok, I was just looking for that source.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: lucciano85m on December 27, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
Novosibirsk aircraft plant of Sukhoi delivered Su-34 frontline bombers to the Russian Air Force

(http://www.xairforces.net/images/news/large_news/121211_Russian-AF_Sukhoi_Su-34-Fullback.jpg)

Today four serial Su-34 frontline bombers went up in the sky from the runway airport of the Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Association (NAPO) and off to the place of their deployment at the air base in Voronezh. Two more aircraft will arrive there in the next few days. The aircraft delivery is carried out in the framework of the five-year state contract signed in 2008 to supply 32 Su-34 frontline bombers to the Russian Defense Ministry.

http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=718&newst=8 (http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=718&newst=8)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on December 19, 2013, 06:06:58 PM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/4/7/2363742.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2363742/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: Webmaster on December 23, 2013, 02:34:55 PM
That's a nice sunny photo of the jet, it's a good looking plane, but I'm not sure yet if I like the look of this new standard c/s. It's a bit boring, but somehow it does look good on other aircraft like the Su-25SM, which I think is the same grey but a lighter blue. I think the Su-34 would look pretty nice if it had the grey/white scheme of the Su-24M2. Oh well, it's just looks.

I read that all 32 of the initial order for serial Su-34s have now been delivered. So this one, 28, was the last one of the second-to-last batch delivered this year?
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on December 27, 2013, 06:36:14 PM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/6/0/3/2368306.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2368306/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on December 31, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/6/0/2370064.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2370064/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: shawn a on December 31, 2013, 07:04:24 PM
OK, what is with the dielectric paint on all the emitting or receiving antennas? By that I mean--I've seen it in almost all the colors of the rainbow, so why does it never seem to be a seamless part of the "camouflage" paint job?
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: Webmaster on January 08, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
because then some painter (not from the respray shop, but say a regular maintainer) may then use the wrong paint on these parts? may just be that simple! Also, like this it says 'be careful' with these parts... no need for warning stencils. And then cost...I suppose, but they've got the grey version, so doesn't explain the white... although maybe it has different properties and they're kept separate by not making them both a grey tint?

seamless is not even possible I think but yeah they can pretty closely matched, obviously RuAF doesn't care.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 12, 2014, 09:33:19 PM
 (http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/5/9/4/2377495.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2377495/L/&sid=47ea75064166603e26d5ed51f6df1782)


 
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 14, 2014, 10:07:24 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/5/1/2378151.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Antonov-An-26Sh/2378151/L)

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/5/1/2378152.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2378152/L)

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/5/1/2378153.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2378153/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 17, 2014, 06:59:28 PM
 
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/5/9/9/2379995.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2379995/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: Webmaster on January 18, 2014, 03:24:13 AM
Amazing photos Sergey!
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 21, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/8/1/2381183.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2381183/L)

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/5/5/2381559.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-27SM/2381559/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 31, 2014, 09:56:55 PM

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/2/6/2385621.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2385621/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on February 07, 2014, 06:55:20 PM

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/2/2/2390222.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2390222/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on February 08, 2014, 11:06:49 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/8/0/5/2390508.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2390508)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: shawn a on February 09, 2014, 02:37:20 AM
Hi sergeyl,
I've always liked this plane from the very first time I saw it (1996).
Do you know if it has any RCS reduction features?
Shawn A.
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on February 11, 2014, 11:35:01 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/0/3/2393303.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-27-(Su-27S)/2393303/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on February 12, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/4/3/2394342.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-27SM3/2394342/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on February 13, 2014, 06:46:48 PM

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/3/0/2395034.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-24MR/2395034/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on July 11, 2014, 07:37:59 PM





(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/2/1/2471129.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2471129/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on July 20, 2014, 10:14:32 PM





(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/0/5/2475500.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2475500/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on July 22, 2014, 08:15:19 AM



(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/4/2/2476243.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2476243/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on July 24, 2014, 05:40:00 PM



(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/8/6/7/2477768.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2477768/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on July 25, 2014, 05:38:49 PM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/3/3/2478330.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2478330/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on July 30, 2014, 05:57:49 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/6/0/2481069.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-34/2481069/L)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on August 18, 2014, 05:45:30 AM
Su-34



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Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on October 11, 2014, 08:21:06 PM

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/7/7/6/2517677.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2517677/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on November 22, 2014, 08:38:49 AM



(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/8/3/4/2543438.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2543438/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 16, 2015, 08:01:07 PM

[size=78%](http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/7/8/2575873.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2575873/L/)[/size]
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on April 07, 2015, 11:54:06 AM



(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/2/6/2618629.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2618629/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on June 12, 2015, 01:17:02 PM



Редкий момент.
Работа системы затормаживания колес перед уборкой.


(http://russianplanes.net/images/to166000/165401-640.jpg) (http://russianplanes.net/ID165401)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on June 18, 2015, 04:04:25 PM



(http://russianplanes.net/images/to166000/165934-640.jpg) (http://russianplanes.net/ID165934)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on June 22, 2015, 06:48:33 PM



(http://russianplanes.net/images/to167000/166306-640.jpg) (http://russianplanes.net/ID166306)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 29, 2016, 07:28:01 PM



(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/1/9/2771914.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/2771914/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on February 01, 2016, 04:52:35 PM



(http://russianplanes.net/images/to183000/182532-640.jpg) (http://russianplanes.net/id182532)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on February 28, 2016, 07:39:07 AM
(http://russianplanes.net/images/to185000/184361-640.jpg) (http://russianplanes.net/id184361)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on March 05, 2016, 07:40:19 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/1/8/2788810.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2788810/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on March 09, 2016, 07:26:09 PM

.                                                                                      .
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/7/2/2791272.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2791272/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on March 16, 2016, 08:34:55 PM

.                                                                                                                            .
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Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on March 27, 2016, 09:03:23 AM

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(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/7/3/2799371.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2799371/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on April 01, 2016, 06:57:03 PM

.                                                                                                   .
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/6/8/7/2801786.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2801786/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on April 03, 2016, 07:27:35 PM

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(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/0/7/2802704.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/2802704/L/)
Title: Re: SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber
Post by: sergeyl on January 10, 2017, 06:31:29 PM
(http://russianplanes.net/images/to203000/202923-640.jpg) (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia-Air-Force/Sukhoi-Su-34/4156413)