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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2006, 12:26:34 PM »
The '117s would most likely have to fly somewhere between the hours of midnight and dawn, so as to reduce visual contact. If the '117 themselves make sure the air is clear before dropping, then, there would most likely be no problem at all.

Check www.lockheedmartin.com and www.Boeing.com they've got the two aircraft listed
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2006, 12:29:47 PM »
thats a good point

but if some random enemy was flying around in circles and they some how seen a -117 go by (a person in a AWACS can see a NIghthawk even if his radar is saying its not there>>DONT RELY ON MACHINES, NOTHING BEATS HUMANS) then the 117 would still be in trouble. Radar-relying missiles cant find it, and it has anti-heat things (or is that the B2??) so shooting it down with a missile would be out of the question,,

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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2006, 12:39:30 PM »
Uh, what would the AWACS commander be doing awake at that obscene hour?
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2006, 12:40:25 PM »
Quote from: Raptor on October 13, 2006, 12:39:30 PM
Uh, what would the AWACS commander be doing awake at that obscene hour?

he would be doing his job!!
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2006, 12:47:00 PM »
Uh, night-time air-raid? I don't think AWACS field commanders did those...  ;D

Anyway, i do admire the Gripen for it's great design, but personally, it can't win the whole war unless it's used very well. How to is beyond me.
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2006, 01:00:42 PM »
Quote from: Raptor on October 13, 2006, 12:47:00 PM
Uh, night-time air-raid? I don't think AWACS field commanders did those...  ;D

Anyway, i do admire the Gripen for it's great design, but personally, it can't win the whole war unless it's used very well. How to is beyond me.

a great pilot could make the sproose goose into a combat plane...or a guided missile... imagine the damage you could do with one of those... but the AN-124 and the AN-225 are bigger arnt they?
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2006, 03:06:32 PM »
He he, interesting discussion you have there guys.  But i think its much down to tactics today, if you have the element of surprise on your side, you would shoot down an F-22 or a Gripen with the old F-4 Phantom or a J-35Draken. The tactics of any airforce is surprise, hit hard and then bug out. Live to fight another day.   :)
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2006, 03:59:14 AM »
sure an F-4 or a Draken could kill a Gripen or Raptor, but the Gripen and Raptor should be able to loose the missiles and blow the -4 and the Draken out of the sky...thats if the F-4 or the Draken could get near the Gripen or Raptor, they both have good Radars and stuff!
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2006, 12:21:51 PM »
Huh. Old and simple tactics usually work the best. So i'm not wrong. the idea is to make sure that the fighters remain untouched.

And 2/3 air to air combats today are performed outside visual range. See?
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2006, 12:25:37 PM »
BVR is good but stupid

dogfighting should be up close, like WW2 but with missiles and at supersonic speeds

you cant consider a BVR kill a kill in dogfighting when you havent seen your oponet
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2006, 12:30:10 PM »
Well, then don't consider it a dogfight kill. It's safer for everyone that way.
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Re: What would you like to fly?
« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2006, 01:07:59 PM »
A  safe dogfight... Aint that a contridiction (or however its spelled).  It does sound kind of funny though.  ;)
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