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A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« on: October 29, 2008, 09:00:42 PM »
A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
Wing cracks limit jets’ availability
By Bruce Rolfsen - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Oct 28, 2008 12:32:39 EDT

With more than one-third of Air Force A-10 Thunderbolts grounded because of wing cracks, the service is considering temporarily reassigning aircraft and even reassigning airmen.

The groundings began Oct. 3, when orders went out not to fly 127 jets that were built with “thin wings” until the wings had been checked and repaired, if needed. The number of grounded A-10s is likely to grow as more aircraft are inspected for cracks near the main landing gear.

Lt. Col. David Trucksa, a Warthog subject matter expert with Air Combat Command headquarters, said the full extent of the wing problems won’t be known until end of October, when inspections are completed.

But Trucksa said he doesn’t expect the problem to end soon.

“It will be a long time — a year,” he said. “It’s not short-term like the F-15 Eagle.”

In November 2007, the service grounded all F-15s after an F-15C broke apart in flight while on a training mission over Missouri. Inspectors traced the problem to cracked beams inside fuselages that were thinner than what specifications called for, and it took three months to get all but a few of the fighters back in the air.

While F-15s sat on flight lines, the only experience pilots got was in simulators. As the jets returned to flight, it took squadrons another month to requalify all their pilots.

Trucksa said the situation for A-10 pilots is not as severe because A-10 pilots can still fly. Grounding the entire fleet is not anticipated.

According to the Ogden Air Logistics Center in Utah, which oversees the health of all 356 Thunderbolts, 65 jets were grounded as of Wednesday, awaiting inspections and 96 were grounded awaiting repairs. The initial grounding had the greatest impact on active-duty units in the U.S., where about 50 percent of the A-10s could not be flown, according to information from the units and Ogden.

Of the remaining Warthogs, 48 were inspected and returned to flight, and an additional 147 A-10s with a differently designed “thick wing” were deemed flyable but faced later inspections once all the “thin wing” A-10s are checked.

Depending on the severity of the cracks, the grounded aircraft will be repaired at their home base or delivered to a depot for more extensive work.

When the inspections are completed, the command will assess the impact on each A-10 unit and look at what steps should be taken, Trucksa said.

Those include temporarily reassigning aircraft so that flyable A-10s are more evenly spread across the service and temporarily sending A-10 pilots who need flying time to units less severely impacted, Trucksa said. Pilots preparing for combat deployments would get first dibs on those temporary reassignments.

The command is also keeping watch on how the grounding could impact combat operations in Afghanistan. Since 2002, A-10s have been a near continuous presence at Bagram Air Base. So far, there has not been a need to send replacement A-10s or change deployment schedules to make up for the jets grounded at Afghanistan, Trucksa said.

Air Forces Central filled the gap with F-15E Strike Eagles stationed at Bagram and carrier-based Navy jets already in the region flying Afghanistan missions.

One option not on the table is delaying flyable A-10s from going through the fleetwide cockpit and avionics upgrade, Trucksa said.

All A-10s are getting digital cockpits and new avionics. The upgrades enable the jets to release satellite-guided bombs, and cuts the time a pilot needs to find and attack a target.

Trucksa said the advantages of having all A-10s configured as “C models” outweighs delaying the conversion, expected to finish in 2010.

The A-10 grounding was prompted by inspections at Ogden, where A-10s go through depot-level repairs. The Ogden inspections involve removing panels and checking parts that aren’t touched during base-level phase inspections.

When Ogden inspectors looked at the wheel trunnions in the “thin wing” jets, they found cracks that had not been anticipated. While A-10s were designed to last for 8,000 flying hours, many have passed the 10,000 hour mark.

The initial 244 A-10 jets were built with wings that used thinner sheet metal than the wings used in later editions of the jet.

The Air Force knew the thin wings wouldn’t last for 16,000 hours and had signed a $2 billion contract with Boeing to build 247 new sets of wings to replace the thin wings. Boeing is in the engineering phase of designing the wings, and delivery of the first wings is expected in December 2010.

Source
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/10/airforce_a10_update_102708/

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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2008, 08:54:53 PM »
That explains also why all display appearances are cancelled.  >:(

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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2008, 03:36:14 AM »
Hi Ramon
It's amazing aircraft but tough training hours and long deployments in the first Gulf War and now the two current wars have taken it's toll.  Some of the low down and dirty flying and time over target are two task I can't see the F-35 performing as well.   Can you imagine the USAF wanted to retired this aircraft many years ago, I guess they proved those decision makers wrong.  I assume there pulling parts from the bone yard in Arizona.     

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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2008, 09:09:56 PM »
Hello nonpilot,

Indeed a absolute awesome aircraft, my favourite after the Tomcat.
The A-10 was actually already planned and on-schedule to be retired.
But the specific task it showed during the Iraq war changed a lot of
minds, no other aircraft can do the task of CAS as good as the A-10.
And in my humble opinion is the F-35 a complete waste of money  ;)

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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2008, 12:12:14 AM »
Hi Ramon
I don't think its the biggest waste of money but I don't think it will be used much in the pure stealth mode.  To me it's going to be a simple F-16 replacement and hanging all kinds of nasty weapons off it's wings. More payload, better thrust, more range, and if need be a smaller RCS good enough to get the first shot off against most aircraft if needed to be used that way.  The F-16 needs to be replaced big time most are very high on flight/frame hours.  I don't look at as a wonder jet all designs have flaws or weak parts but just as a well deserved replacement for a 25 year old aircraft.  (smile face)

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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2008, 03:44:06 AM »
They already moved away from the idea to replace the A-10s with F-35s, hence the digital upgrade and re-wing. UAVs are taking over the A-10s roles, as well as advanced weapons (e.g. one cluster bomb taking out entire convoys, and laser SDBs).

F-35 isn't a waste of money as you need F-16 replacements that are more affordable and attack capable than the F-22. In my mind there's no doubt about the US need for the F-35, and also the F-35B/C have a clear gap to fill.

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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2008, 01:19:39 PM »
The F-35's role does span quite a large area, doesn't it...?

I think the A-10 needed this upgrade some time ago. It's always a good idea to have a relatively simple jet flying out there. The less things that can go wrong, the better. But too simple and you have a sitting duck...
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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2008, 06:03:03 PM »
Hello Raptor,

Problem with the F-35 is that is still has to proof what it is capable of,
while the A-10 is already well known and/or famous in aviation.

The A-10(C) upgrade started already in 2005. The problems that they have
found are only applicable on the older versions, that needed upgrade anyway.
And you alright about one thing, make a aircraft simple and straight forward,
and you have a great aircraft capable of doing anything. And in the case of the
A-10 making a tank captain wetting himself when he hears the sound of a "Hog"  :laugh:

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Re: A-10s may be moved in case of groundings
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2008, 12:11:45 PM »
Ramon-

Yes that "proving" things tends to be a problem, doesn't it...?

Well, perhaps they should have started before 2005.  :P Actually i did know they started in 2005. I have an A-10 article perpetually blu-tacked to my desk.  ;D
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