Which Air Force is Best?

[Raptor]

Ah. dogfight. F-16s are manuverable enough, no?

[Gripen]

they are good, but a Gripen can out manoeuvre them easily, because i somehow think that a F-16 will rip itself to pieces if it tried a 9g manoeure!

[Raptor]

They are 9g capable. lol. Well, if you consider the larger lift-load of the F-16 to the Gripen... he he 

[Gripen]

fair enough, but dont forget to count in the pilots

a good pilot versus a great pilot- i know who i would bet on

[Raptor]

Manfred von Richthofen vs you. i'd bet on The red baron. sure as death.

[Gripen]

erm, id vote for me

simply because the Red baron would have trouble dog fighting with his obvious handicap

being dead and all

[Raptor]

Let's assume he's alive and kicking.

[Cobra2]

the whole program is stupid- i think the whole stealth principal is

there is no true stealth attack plane (the U2 could be considered a stealth, so is the Blackbird, but they couldnt blow stuff up)

the most stealthy plane normally (F-22 and JSF dont because they are stealth until they open their bomb bay doors) would have to be a Gripen or Rafale, with the Eurofighter close behind

Actually, like Valiant1 said, thats only a split second...not even a whole second...its just like WAM!..all the enemy sees is a very, very small blip...not even for the eye to see unless your really, really paying very close attention and you might see it for 0.10 seconds and then it will be in a completely different location.

And about the three other planes, thats just nonsense...not trying to be mean, but it is  .

[Raptor]

No stealth capability in the Gripen, Eurofighter and Rafale. They all have exterior mounted hardpoints, so you'd be able to see the weapons even if the airframe was a stealth one.

[Gripen]

yes

but the Gripen, Rafale and Typhoon all have low radar feedbacks, except for the weapons. they have RAM on them, and a system thing that makes it harder for heat seekers to lock onto the exhaust

[Raptor]

Still, an F-22 would be invisible, while, if the 3 were flying fully armed, they would look as stealthy as a lighthouse to the enemy.

[Gripen]

correct me if i am wrong, but dosent the F35 have hardpoints on its wings?

the raptor dosent need them as its not an attacker, more defender