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Viggen:
I have to disagree with you on this one Niels. You are are thinking of regular fanatics, the ones that strap homemade bomb to their waist. The Japanese kamikaze pilots were also fanatics, their emperor came first.  They sacrificed their lifes for his safty.

Anyone can be turned into a fanatic under the right circumstances. So by training a regular airforce pilot,  feeding him whatever nonsens that will break his will and look at certain things from your point of view. You will manage to get a fanatic pilot for the aircraft.

Ok, I dont think a regular fighter could be used, has to be a modified one. For example a rocket engine that can be ignited to gain speeds over Mach 4, the last miles.

Anyway its a far fetched idea, but it could be done. Taking out targets with suicidal maniacs is a well proven and unfortunatly a sucsessfull tactic.

Globetrotter:

--- Quote from: Raptor on January 30, 2008, 03:36:23 PM ---Well, you could compromise and make it so fast the enemy doesn't see what hit it...  ;D

I think there's a Nuke AAM somewhere... Was it the Genie? I don't think so i can't remember which it was... Help anyone?

--- End quote ---

Yep, carried by F-106 (the sexiest ever) with a range of destruction of 5 miles, so you don't have to hit the target. AIM-2 it was called. So, if you get face to face with 10 F-16s.... well, you can get them all down wiith a F-106 and a Genie. (Cause its electromagnetics instruments would be dead, and as it is fly by wire.......) It was designed to attack large formations of Bears (Russian Bombers)

Raptor:
Globetrotter-Of course, your F-106 would become shredded metal too, correct...?  :P Kamikaze anyway.  ;D

Viggen-I agree with you. Suicide bombers are really successful. The only problem is they have to actually hit the target before they're blown up themselves. Which means i agree with Webby too.  :P I'm konfuzed...

The problem with BVRAAMs is that if you miss you're a goner, no? The distance between the two aircraft is closing even as the missile is fired. The fighter that shot the missile of course can turn away, but it takes time to get a firing solution...

Globetrotter:
No... that's why my (I love that you called it mine ;D) can go Mach 2.5 and turn like hell as soon as you have launched the misile. It has the possibility of escape, ot that's what I read.

Anyway, 10 to 1 sounds fare

Webmaster:
If you're not sure about the accuracy of BVR, you can't be sure about the accuracy of SRAAM and air-to-surface weapons aimed at moving targets either.

Yep, Globe is right. That's the good thing about active radar seeking, you can disengage the moment you've sent the BVRAAM on its way, like those IR weapons. Only then you're in most cases to close to safely disengage.

That's why the Sidewinder enjoyed such success, because for one, it was the first fire-and-forget missile especially ones it's accuracy and reliability improved with the later versions.

Iran-Iraq, check out www.acig.org articles and forum, you'll find that the AIM-54 despite being fired within their minimum range envelop on many occassions performed quite well, except on few occassions where the enemy could easily break away from the missile, as it isn't very agile, and not very accurate at too close range. I brought the Phoenix up because in the mission set out by Raptor, the target is a slow, heavy, big target, with dangerous escorts. I'm afraid that that the AIM-54/R-33 will not miss because of their inaccuracy, but because of electronic countermeasures and jamming deployed by air force one...

AIM-120, check out Gulf War I, Yugoslavia '99, and you'll find some convincing data.

SRAAMs may be more accuracte at their range (depending on type and countermeasures resistence), and I am not neglecting their use, especially for self defense they're more useful. Like I said it depends on the situation, which tactic you'd use. Why else do we still find both on the aircraft. I just think that overall the BVR capability (esp. with active seeking) provides a far more important evolution in air warfare, than the WVR missile evolution.

Ethi-Eri Which version of the R-27? Because I think they only got the older passive radar and IR seeking ones. Imagine R-77s in this conflict.

I think the only effective method of avoiding getting shot down by current generation of BVRAAMs, is using countermeasures, electronic self defense, in combination with evasive maneuvers. But just the agility won't do much good against an active radar seeking missile coming in at Mach 4.

Viggen, I don't know, as far as I know the Japanese Kamikaze pilots weren't that effective, and they weren't highly trained either... it's just the psychological effect it has/had on the enemy... it takes quite some resources to train a pilot to the level that he can avoid 4 escorting fighters on his way to target. Give him some missiles, and he might get home safely, if the missiles fail he can still ram or collide with the target (like a Su-15 did once with a An-12, IIRC, frustrated by the fact that he was too close to the target, and GCI had not ordered him/given permission to use his missile up to that point, and now it was crossing the border, exiting USSR airspace, actually they did not approve the ramming either, he ignored the order to disengage I think).

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