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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 04:21:55 PM »
I thought I'd never see the day! Looks cool (not suprisingly a lot like the F-22). I can't wait for more pictures/videos.
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 04:27:21 PM »
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 04:27:42 PM »
I thought I'd never see the day! Looks cool (not suprisingly a lot like the F-22). I can't wait for more pictures/videos.

I disagree with you.

It is actually more similar to the YF-23 than the F-22.

Here is a video :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPHzCqSJ5xY
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 04:42:37 PM »
Yeah, I can see the YF-23 but I was using operational aircraft as a comparison.
From all that I read, most 'experts' feel the Russians 'fell short' in their attempts to make this plane a TRUE Stealth aircraft. Apparently it's RCS is nearly the same as the Su-27 based aircraft and it does not appear to have any serrated edges on it's weapons doors/landing gear doors/etc. There is also concern about the intakes and bottom fuselage presenting noticeable 'returns'.
Do you know if this plane used the 117S engines or the original version of the AL-41? Last I heard the 117S (AL-41F1A) wasn't close to operational yet.
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 06:08:30 PM »
It has been kept in total secret till today, so i think it is soon to take any conclusions.

Besides, this is still the prototype, the Su-27 that you see today is very different from the first prototype, so, the PAK-FA that will be in service in 2015 should be different from the one you see here. The same thing happened with the F-22. The YF-22 and the F-22 are different, the design has been perfected, so, i have no doubts that the PAK-FA of 2015 will be just as capable as any F-35 or F-22 that we see by then.

About the engines, yes, its true, the engines that will equip the production aircraft are still not ready, this happened before with many other Russian aircraft like the MiG-21 or even the Su-27 which were tested with "rented" engines. The radar, as far as i know, is still beeing finished and certainly there are many other details to be adressed.

But anyway, to all of those who called the PAK-FA "VAPORWARE" i say:
-IN YOUR FACE!!!! ;D ;D
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 06:25:57 PM »
Just popped into my mind:

-Can anyone spot the cannon bay?
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 05:18:16 PM »
Here's a cool picture that I haven't seen until today!
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 06:55:37 PM »
Good, little late, but not too bad. Now, let's see how quick they can get it tested and into production.

Hopefully, everybody is now convinced PAK-FA is a real project. Still no garantees for the future, but it looks like this will make it as it's not too unconventional, merge the F-22 and a Su-27 and you get this.

Take another look at some YF-23 pictures, I don't think it looks like it at all! Your brain just says it looks like the F-22, but somewhat different, so it must look like another thing that looks like the F-22, brain says that'd be the YF-23 then... it's very different!

Sure, it will end up looking a bit different. But don't expect too much change yet, it's a two-staged program, so I think there will only be little refinements, the bigger changes will be postponed for the second stage. Also, a lot of basic components won't change until stage II.

F-111C/C, I'll get back to you on the 117S, it should have finished all testing now or about too, but I don't know. I agree that it probably is not in production yet, and I don't expect it to until next year. On the T-50, they are definately not the "orignal AL-41", it's more likely they are AL-31F, that's probably what you meant. But like I said, no idea and I'll see what I can find. Like SukhoiLover said, it's pretty normal to rely on proven, baseline engines for the first prototype, especially for Russian manufacturers, even if there were substantial differences. The 117S is pretty much an uprated AL-31F, so no problems this time, I don't see a reason for big T-10 like (Su-27) changes... On the other hand, 117S test engines might already be at a point in testing that they were fitted... pre-production examples.

SukhoiLover, no, but that doesn't mean it won't get a gun...

I don't see much room for internal weapon carriage...
 
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 12:05:46 AM »


If that scheme is correct, then theres actually a lot of room.



Another thing, take a look at the second picture, is that an OLS behind the cockpit?
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 01:07:34 AM »
Why "T-50"? Is the 'T' like our 'Y' or 'X' for prototype/experimental? Will it become an Su-50?
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Re: At last the PAK-FA
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 02:04:04 AM »
Why "T-50"? Is the 'T' like our 'Y' or 'X' for prototype/experimental? Will it become an Su-50?

Maybe not.

The Su-27 was the T-10, so i guess that just because the PAK-FA is in-house codename T-50, it most likelly won´t be the Su-50. Besides, i´m not sure if there already a Sukhoi aerobatics plane with that designation.

What i´m really curious about is how NATO will codename it. I guess i´ll creat a poll for that!
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