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One or more unkown planes?
« on: April 02, 2008, 12:42:43 AM »
Ok, I believe the United States has something up its sleaves for a new plane, not fighter, in my opinion, nor bomber, but a recon plane. Why not? most of our recon planes are no longer used.

And also, maybe it is not the Aurora...maybe the Aurora was a complete hoax to begin with, from somebody, or maybe the US Government released this hoax to steer our minds elsewhere, as they develope their new aircraft. Boeing, Northrop, or Lockheed? or maybe some other company? ....ah conspiracy...love it  ;)

So, the Aurora may not be a hoax...just maybe its real...or being tested. This is very interesting to me, and here I found this report, look:

The 'Aurora' Spy Plane
There is much speculation about the existence of the 'Aurora' spy plane. The Air Force, not
surprisingly, denies that it exists. They also denied that the F-117 and B-2 stealth planes existed.
They also deny that Area 51 itself exists, even though Russian spy satellite photos and pictures
taken by civilians from places on public land where it can be seen say otherwise. One reason
it is thought to exist is that the SR-71 was retired with no opposition from the Air Force or CIA.
This was the first time that the Air Force did not oppose the retiring of a successful plane,
unless of course they had a replacement better for the job. Much speculation abounds
and supposed 'facts' of existence float about. Nevertheless credible evidence does exist.
In the Fiscal Year 1986 Budget dated February 4, 1985, a line with a project named
Aurora was to receive $80 million in '86 and $2.2 billion in '87. This was listed near
the SR-71 and TR-1 (U-2) spy plane budgets. This stirred up all kinds of notions that
the Air Force was building a spy plane to replace the aging SR-71. The Air Force quickly
denied it and said that it referred to funding for the then classified B-2 which didn't make any
sense seeing as it was listed right along with the SR-71 and TR-1 spy planes. Some
officials said that it referred to satellite programs even though funding for satellite programs
was listed elsewhere in the report. The budget report for the next year had no mention
of funding for Aurora, however. But looking at several other areas of the report it seems
as though funding for Aurora could have been spread around to other areas in the report,
which has been done with other 'black' or top-secret projects. For instance the "Selected
Items" section of the Air Force budget was beefed up noticeably in '87. "Selected
Items" is a section where various unnamed expenses are paid for and appears in budget
reports annually. Likewise the CIA has a section called "Special Update Program" which
is similar in function and was beefed up also. "Special Update Program" in fact was
increased to $851 million for '87 which was $700 million more than projected. Also
since '87 several billion have been alloted for a 'prototype hypersonic propulsion test program'
under "Special Update Programs". Probably the most compelling evidence for an aircraft such
as Aurora is the unusual sonic booms heard, and recorded on U.S. Geological Survey
seismographs from 1991-1992 over southern California. The seismograph readings
had the aircraft above Mach 4 and heading northeast, directly towards the Nevada
deserts where two major Air Force test facilities operate, Area 51 and Edwards
Air Force Base. There are only two things that could make a sonic boom remotely
similar to those that occurred, the space shuttle, or NASA's SR-71s. Neither were
operating that day. One seismologist said that the booms were more powerful than
the booms that they recorded once in a while and usually occurred Thursday mornings
between 6 and 7 a.m. Residents of California have dubbed these events "skyquakes". A
similar "skyquake" occurred over Orange County, CA in 1996. It was described as being
similar to an earthquake, causing loose rattling of some objects yet damaging nothing, and a
sonic boom of some kind. CalTech sensors confirmed that it was not an earthquake. Also
all military bases in the area deny knowledge of anything and no other source could be found
such as an explosion, etc... Also in April of '92 amateur radio hobbyists monitored trans-
missions between Edwards Air Force Base and an aircraft using the call-sign 'Gaspipe'.
The transmission from 'Joshua Control' to 'Gaspipe' went: "You're at 67,000, 81 miles out."
and "Seventy miles out, 36,000. Above glide slope." Clearly the base was directing a high-
flying aircraft in for a landing. Reports out of Europe of detecting and tracking such an
aircraft have also occurred. These reports are considered to be less credible than those
above, which is important to note. For instance the photo below was said to be taken
showing the Aurora spy plane being refueled by a KC-135 tanker and being escorted
by a pair of F-111's.



This photo has been shown all over the place on the Internet. This photo is a hoax as
reported by the Federation of American Scientists. This photo first appeared in a British
magazine. What people seem to forget was that it was captioned, "A simulation of the
refuelling of the top secret 'Aurora'. Photo composition by Bill Rose." So this photo, which
some say is compelling evidence for the existence of Aurora, is a hoax. In 1992 it was
reported that the Royal Air Force (RAF) detected an aircraft travelling in the Mach 6
range flying over the NATO - RAF base at Machrihanish, Scotland on two seperate
occasions. Also there have been reports of an aircraft streaking over the North Pole at Mach 6
flying very high heading for America. These reports cannot be confirmed or un-confirmed.
Also sightings in the U.S. of unusual contrails possibly associated with a ramjet, an engine
that can be used in hypersonic flight, have been seen, which is non-conclusive. Two pilots
for the British Airways airline claim to have seen an aircraft that could be Aurora.
Also reports of "unusually loud, rumbling sonic booms" have been heard near
Pensacola, FL. Some suggest that the frequency of these and the California "skyquakes"
indicate an operational airplane. But does it exist? How would we know even if it did
exist? We know that evidence exists pointing to a replacement for the SR-71 and
that the Air Force and contractors, especially the Lockheed Skunk Works, have
succeeded in the past at hiding top-secret aircraft programs. Also we know that hoaxes
such as the 'refeuling photo' exist.
What if it does exist?
If it does exist we know that it would be one of the most remarkable aircraft ever. A plane
capable of cruising at Mach 6 would be able to travel around the globe in a short time. Also
Mach 6 flight would be a challenge for engine and body designers. Flying at Mach 6 the
Aurora could beat any air defense system. Hypersonic aircraft are harder to shoot
down than even a ballistic missile. Although a plane travelling at Mach 6 would not
have great maneuverability, it's velocity would be so high that even a small turn would put
it miles away from a Surface-to-Air Missile's projected interception point. It also may
incorporate stealth technology. If it does exist it may operate out of Area 51. It may have
even been deployed already in recent military engagements such as Kosovo, etc... It may
even fly regularly over Russia and China. But whatever the case-- we don't really know and
won't know until the plane is photographed or its existence is revealed. And it may be
that us not knowing is what intrigues us most.



I know, its a pretty big report, read on if you want, its pretty interesting.

I can't come to a conclusion just yet, but like the F-117 and B-2, I believe it just might be real...maybe :)

Source: http://users.adelphia.net/~dmcgarvey/spyplanes.html

« Last Edit: April 02, 2008, 12:47:34 AM by Cobra2 »

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Re: One or more unkown planes?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2008, 04:18:20 AM »
Cobra, your reckon planes are no longer used, cause you now have satellites for that. SR-71s were retired because of that, as far as I know, and they were much more expensive than sats. Appart from that, you don't need to risk human lifes (which is also the case of UAV's, however).
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Re: One or more unkown planes?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2008, 05:46:07 AM »
True, I didn't think about the sattelites  ::)

And, maybe this aircraft is unmanned...or maybe it has a secret role...maybe an anti-missile craft, like the YAL-1, only stealth and unmanned ;)


Also, I found this picture...it is said that it is not denied, and that this here picture is actually real, so this could be something. Two F-16s and some unknown aircraft taken on picture by a farmer about 80 miles off from Edwards Air Force Base, so the picture if grey and not so good of quality, but they never denied it.

By the way, to me, it looks like the F-16s are breaking formation to the left, and the unkown aircraft is flying straight. Why they would leave it or break from it if its so secret is beyond me, maybe they were staying close anyhow.

« Last Edit: April 02, 2008, 07:23:52 AM by Cobra2 »

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Re: One or more unkown planes?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2008, 11:21:50 AM »
Um. That looks exactly like the Aurora... Globetrotter, as always, Recon aircraft have an important role. They can see things the sats can't, they can go low, they can move faster. Certain sats can see underground, but only if they're directly over the target and weather conditions are at their optimum.

I don't think the SR-71s were phased out because of obsoletion. Cost is waaaaay more likely.
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Re: One or more unkown planes?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2008, 11:11:44 PM »
I am not saying they don't, but for the role the Blackbird was designed for, there are now satellites which can identify even a car number! I am not saying the SR-71 was obsolete, but what do want them for if you have satellites. Maybe some other reckon aircraft (naval? or more detail, short range?) are still needed, no doubt of that.
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Re: One or more unkown planes?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2008, 12:05:06 AM »
If we want to belive something we will find the proof. Historian ABC is that if you already know the result you want, then don't even bother to start your research on that field because it will be biased.

US has a) no need for such a plane
          b) no need to keep it a secret
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