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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2007, 11:20:38 PM »
I belive the Israeli orderd a couple of Mirage 5, but before they where deliverd,  President De Guille put the embargo in place. Israeli spies or engeneers managed get their hands on the bluprints somehow. From there they built the Neshir (i think it was called), im just guessing now that Kfir is a devient/developmet from this aircraft.

So it would make Kfir it Israeli.  :)
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2007, 02:08:46 AM »
In my opinion, countries (their designers) have "signatures" and they are very clear in planes. Look at Russian tails, they have that cut on top, very difficutl to find elsewhere :)

Looks at F-15, F-22, they keep some similiarity. Why talk about French designs then?It is obvious.

Each country has something particular, and they print that in their planes.

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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2007, 08:44:52 AM »
Singapore and Israel have one thing in common. And that's why we work so closely all the time.

We both love to modify stuff. Kfir, A-4SU. Tanks. Guns. Everything. I think fusion is a signature for Israel. By the way, since we're talking about Israel, I couldn't find that thread that was talking about thins, but Singapore and Israel are both MAJOR players in the JSF program. We just might not get the plane itself...
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2007, 02:40:36 AM »
Sorry but what are the minor players then? If you call non-contributing "security cooperation partner" major with capital letters?
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2007, 04:39:16 PM »
So my conclusion: a plane although several countries may take part of the development in various ways and its different parts may be made in different countries world wide "belongs" to the country who's company puts all the parts together. The very same company doesn't even have to take part in major development programs(like in case of Kfir or FS-X or many more). The company itself usually belongs to share holders from across the world, the company has factories world wide and so on. A major company itself by its nature loses national identity. GM doesn't locate in the US, it's in the cyber world, from where all the decisions and info runs from America to Europe to Asia etc. So as absurd as it may seem, planes for some reason do have national identity.  ???  :-\ (I'm confuesed too now)
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2007, 07:57:47 AM »
Sorry Webby-
Engineering?

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Um, Kfir is the same as FSX?
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2007, 08:50:20 AM »
FS-X or F-2(?) is japanese version of F-16. Kfir is israeli copy of Mirage.
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2007, 11:06:18 PM »
the Mitsubishi authorised copy enlargement of F-16 is the F-2 ;)
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2007, 07:43:22 AM »
No, i think it's quite different, since the Kfir is modified almost beyond recognition. You can, of course see the basic Mirage 2000 frame, but otherwise... The F-2 is something like a pure copy?
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Re: Do fighters really have national identity?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2007, 12:22:05 PM »
Beyond recognition? They put on a new engine and for that little bit changed the rear fuselage. To call Kfir a new plane is like to call F-16I and F-15I a new plane.
Wiki brings out some differnces between F-2 and F-16
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